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Originally Posted by Hip Priest
hello again.
Morals don't have to supercede or replace religion. They can exist alongside religion, and can exist without religion. They do not neccessarily indicate any desire for 'faith' or faith substitute, they can just be the natural result of waning to be a good person.
I made this point earlier, and it's true that there are vegetarians who are just as bad, but in my experience (and that of others) I have to say that it is often the 'meat' eater who displays the signs of dogmatic close-mindedness. It is often the meat eater who will become abusive, forceful, scornful and oblivious to the rights of others (the 'fascistic' attitude that porkmarras rightfuly mentions).
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Y'irie?
I necessarily take an entirely different line to you on the religion/ morals thing - I agree with your points in so far as they are articulate and well placed, but my religious leanings and understanding prohibit me agreeing entirely. Nonetheless, as we've said before, forums aren't the right place for these kind of discussions, so it's probably best to put that debate to one side, wouldn't you agree?
Noumenal: I met Scruton, and he was a total cunt. I don't care if he's the best philosopher who ever walked the earth (which he's not), I vehemently and irrationally disagree with him because he's a cockbag and I am full of meat-induced hate for him.
Likewise Singer, but that's more because he's got an absolutely revolting face. I don't claim to be rational, I never have and I never will.