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Old 01.15.2008, 01:11 PM   #68
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I never said it was about choosing sides of playing in standard or not playing in standard. In fact, the discussion so rapidly degenerated into nonsense and aburdity no such finer point was ever made. So it's not about choosing sides of whether one plays in a more conventional way or a less conventional way.

Can we get clear on that, Florya and sarramkrop?

I made the painting analogies because they are apropos. One simply must learn the basics before making good art...period.

On the guitar, one must play in open tunings, one must play in standard tuning and understand the guitar and the chromatic scale. Now one can know the chromatic scale and tune a guitar however they want, but to know what notes comprise basic chords which make the basic sounds, you gotta know open tunings and standard.

And once this basic knowledge is absorbed one can go into alternate tunings and what have you or whatever they style of guitar playing they can envision. One can use both more conventional and alternate tunings together in a compostion, or one can opt to use only alternate tunings or any manner of experimental guitar set-ups if that is where your musical art takes you.

Or, as many here seem to feel, one can just ignore the basics of how to play the instrument and just pretentiously claim that they are above it and doggedly insist that they never need learn anything about the guitar other than what they find out on their own. Pick your path. But, again, realize, just as Savage Clone also told you, that without some level of knowledge of the instrument, which was all I was espousing as a recommendation to the exceedingly pretentious avantgarde1 as an obvious requirement, it is highly unlikely that one is going to do anything really worth a damn and one is only kidding themselves. Modern art is more about process than craft, so there is more leeway nowadays, I understand that (I don't understand why anyone who "knows" me even somewhat would think I wouldn't), but overall, it's just common sense. avantgarde1 said he didn't know chords, hence, he doesn't have a clue about the most fundamental of guitar basics, namely, the chromatic scale and the progression of notes on the neck on any given string depending on how it's tuned.

So don't label me as being on this side or that side in a simplistic black and white fashion that reeks of demogaugery and don't, as you two have, imply as much either. I'm someone that put The First Original Silence as my pick for number one album of 2007. Don't judge me as being in this camp or that camp when all I've done is attempt to offer sound commentary and common sense advice. avantgarde1 asked for "help." I was in the process of giving him help of an applicable and most useful variety before I was called a "douche." Sorry it's such anathema to those that have expressed derision at my posts. One would think both of you would know me better after years of posting here and give me more of a benefit of the doubt before rushing to some black or white judgement. I know all either of you meant to do is to state your well-formed opinions, but the implications of your writings seemed to disregard a lot of where I was really coming from in favor of presenting your own blanket viewpoints exclusively.
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