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Originally Posted by schizophrenicroom
the creative zen touch is really nice for about a year until the headphone jack goes
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The zen kills the Ipod. Badly. Better price, better video image quality (4 times better than the ipod I believe), and doesn't require specific software. I still use my sony discman though, it still kicks ass with it's ATRAC3 and MP3 playback
Buuuuuttttt yeaahhh I'm getting really tired and just wathing my friend play Gran Turismo.