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Originally Posted by GeneticKiss
Frankly, I don't see why people seem to love Sonic Nurse and Murray Street so much...for me MS had "Karenology/Karen Revisited" and "Radical Adults Lick Godhead Style" ("Rain On Tin" is a good song, but it's hardly the masterpiece some fans/critics make it out to be), while SN had no really good songs after "Stones" ("Paper Cut Exit" was OK, but I think Lee's done/can do better, and "I Love You Golden Blue" had a cool intro but after that the track was weak IMO)...
I think the expression "Too many cooks spoil the broth" works in the case of Sonic Youth's 2000s...Jim O'Rourke might be good with Gaster Del Sol and such, but with SY he did nothing but weigh down the band and overcomplicate things, turning them into a second-rate Wilco ripoff at best and weak post-rockers at worst.
For me, Rather Ripped is more cohesive and propulsive, now that they've shed the excess baggage...I haven't heard enough of NYC Ghosts and Flowers to judge there, but what I have heard I like...
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SY a second rate Wilco !! You have to be kidding me!! Some people just seem to be pissed that SY can actually offer interesting music with elaborate structure ( not just your verse chorus verse stuff). What you call excess baggage is for me what makes it(SN) a good record : the multiple intertwining melodic lines, the long musical development is the work of true craftsman that envisage the song as a whole and not just one melodic hook + several clichéd development (Incinerate baby !!). I see no link with post rock at all, SN owes more to jazz(unmade bed, i love you golden blue, peace attack) and punk(Pattern recognition, Mariah...).
Rather ripped is cohesive and propulsive but ultimately it lacks mystery; Every song (a part from Jams run free and Rats ) is so damn predictable, which is the last thing SY qualfiies for.