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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
It all starts with slick rock for me.
everything before was disco toasting.
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I can't help but feel that at the very least the timeline should start with Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five's "The Message," if not Sugarhill Gang's "Rapper's Delight" in '79/'80. Perhaps earlier.
It would be a crying shame to say rap started with Blondie's "Rapture," but that was the first track with a rap to hit #1, and that was in '81. I think '85 is a bit late. Sure, what came before may have been "proto-rap" compared to what followed, but "rap" was an established slang term by 1980 and I think that should count.
I tend to trace punk back to Velvet Underground's White Light/White Heat. It was proto-punk... definitely wasn't
punk-punk, but it was also punk as all fucking hell, and pretty much everything that came after is considered proper punk, from the first Stooges album on. So as far as I'm concerned, punk — real punk, not the kind of singalong Benzedrine mod stuff the Who was kicking out in '65 — started in 1968. So I'd be more inclined to trace rap back to a period before '85. I mean, Run DMC had an album out in '84, so there's that.
Anyway. Whatever.