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jon boy 12.23.2008 12:43 AM

fuck you christmas
 
on the horse you rode in on.

terriblecanyons 12.23.2008 12:49 AM

can I get an AYYYYY-MEN?

atsonicpark 12.23.2008 12:56 AM

Personally, my family's not celebrating this year. Which is fine by me.

It's my girlfriend's favorite time of the year though so there's a bit of a conflict I guess. Oh well, I'm indifferent. I got her a bass. She got me a Boogiepop Phantom box set and John Fahey's first book. We're all happy in the end..

terriblecanyons 12.23.2008 01:00 AM

It used to be something I looked forward too way too much, and this being the second broke christmas in a row doesn't help.

alteredcourse 12.23.2008 01:05 AM

I got ultra packs of undies half-off today because they have reindeer and pingus on them. Viva la cheap holiday THROWAWAY

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 12.23.2008 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by terriblecanyons
It used to be something I looked forward too way too much, and this being the second broke christmas in a row doesn't help.


"Blessed are the poor, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."

this dude, whose birthday it is.

 

Dead-Air 12.23.2008 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by hypertonic
Wow... Yeah... Just returned to the board after a month hiatus... Injured foot, maimed by my guitar heh..

Wasn't Jesus a Pisces tho, hence the fish symbol?


Jesus was a motherfucking CAPRICORN! Know your Chris Kristofferson albums for Christ's sakes!

Dead-Air 12.23.2008 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by hypertonic
Well i didn't think Christmas had anything to do with it.... Why did they utilize the Pisces symbol?


I think he liked fish and chips.

terriblecanyons 12.23.2008 03:02 AM

i liek pancaeks

Dead-Air 12.23.2008 03:05 AM

Here's the lengthy Wikipedia explanation. It was actually fish and bread because chips hadn't been invented yet.

"At the feeding of the five thousand, a boy is brought to Jesus with "five small loaves and two fishes". The question is asked, "But what are they, among so many?" Jesus multiplies the loaves and fish to feed the multitude."

diskaholic-anonymous 12.23.2008 03:05 AM

in the christmas we can see how very hypocritic people are, how can we celebrate peace and love if the next day we are ready to make "war" to each other...like this thread just fuck christmas...pick a guitar and make some noise! jesus will be more happy with your screwdriver in the strings than with your yellow smile to an uncle you never talk!

acousticrock87 12.23.2008 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by diskaholic-anonymous
in the christmas we can see how very hypocritic people are, how can we celebrate peace and love if the next day we are ready to make "war" to each other...like this thread just fuck christmas...pick a guitar and make some noise! jesus will be more happy with your screwdriver in the strings than with your yellow smile to an uncle you never talk!

Yeah but no one actually thinks Christmas is about peace. Everyone is well aware of the fact that "peace" is a clever way of keeping up a nostalgiac tradition that has no real justification.

We want our fucking Christmas trees, dammit.

Dead-Air 12.23.2008 03:18 AM

Having a kid this year, I'm finding it hard to be as cynical about Christmas as I normally would be. He's so excited by the lights and the colorful packages, and the coincidental snow, and he has no clue about the theology (and we're not filling his head with it either).

We've got some major relief this year in that we're having our own celebration at home and not driving all over hell to pretend to be happy. And we didn't buy any presents for anybody but the children in our families this year, because we couldn't possibly afford to. We don't watch t.v., so none of that annoying shit has entered into our heads.

I've got nothing against Jesus as one of several great symbols/role-models who's followers make a mockery of what they taught. I could really use the new computer monitor that's under the tree too.

acousticrock87 12.23.2008 03:25 AM

That sounds like an awesome Christmas.

blunderbuss 12.23.2008 03:31 AM

Christmas kicks ass, and if all you misery guts don't like it you should go live in a cupboard under the stairs with a dry biscuit until it's all over.

Dead-Air 12.23.2008 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by hypertonic
Or the deep inch long battle scar in my hand?


Sure, especially if it appears out of nowhere stigmata stylee!

_slavo_ 12.23.2008 04:10 AM

since Christmas Eve was my mom's birthday and since my mom had passed away two years ago, I've grown up to hate this period of the year.

acousticrock87 12.23.2008 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Nefeli
^yes.

in addition, this holiday is very cruel for people who are alone in life and moreover alone and old. you can rationalise and think that its just another day, but for example the media doesnt let you do this very easily.

personally speaking i decided years ago to stop being negative about it and try to see the bright sides. the fact that streets are more beautiful with the lights on trees and the fact that we get a couple of days off, if we are lucky.

i will have fun with my friends and on xmas day my best friend's parents are having the food gathering and my parents will be there too, because they are buddies as we are, so that will be great. im sad that my brother wont be with us, but he is fine and will be on a trip, so there isnt any problem.
the pain of lossing and missing my grandmother, who passed away this september is bigger, but i have this almost constantly so its not great difference.

Well put. Depending on how your mind sees things, being surrounded by rejoicing and stuff can be either painful or soothing.

But association, like slavo said, can be terribly difficult.

_slavo_ 12.23.2008 05:13 AM

sorry to hear that about your grandma, nefeli.
i agree absolutely with what you said about looking at the brighter side of things, but for me it's nearly impossible to take things this way. seeing my dad holding down tears at the christmas supper table (just the two of us, my brother no more lives with us, he's got his own family now) is something i can't really bear.
but it's just one day in 365, so it always passes quickly.

█████████ 12.23.2008 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Nefeli
...the fact that streets are more beautiful with angry greeks burning down trees and the fact that we get a couple of days off, if we are lucky...

well, yes...

blunderbuss 12.23.2008 05:15 AM

Nefeli and Slavo, I send you my biggest hugs.

ploesj 12.23.2008 05:54 AM

it isn't always easy here since there is a minor fight every year over where we will spend christmas (my parents are divorced)

but i try to make the best out of it, this year i'll be at my mother's house and that's great: to her christmas is about having everyone around, eating something together and giving each other nice small things. to my dad, it's about ordering fancy food and giving money since he doesn't know what to give.

nefeli and slavo, i'm sorry to hear about your negative experiences around this time of the year. hopefully things will get better soon.

Dead-Air 12.23.2008 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by _slavo_
sorry to hear that about your grandma, nefeli.
i agree absolutely with what you said about looking at the brighter side of things, but for me it's nearly impossible to take things this way. seeing my dad holding down tears at the christmas supper table (just the two of us, my brother no more lives with us, he's got his own family now) is something i can't really bear.
but it's just one day in 365, so it always passes quickly.


Two years is likely much too soon for you to find a brighter side to her loss when with your father on her birthday. Hopefully, over time though, the holiday will actually become positive as it gives you a chance to remember her (perhaps in a gathering that includes both your father and your brother with his family one day).

That is an incredibly hard thing to face each year. It reminds me why all holidays can be bad if we are oblivious to those who don't have any reason to be happy.

EVOLghost 12.23.2008 11:27 AM

yeah fuck you!

MellySingsDoom 12.23.2008 11:33 AM

My heart goes out to _slavo_ and nefeli at this time of year. Everyone else - crack open a bottle of beer or wine, drink up and celebrate the birth of a mythical being....I am of course talking about Batman.

A very happy Batmanmas to you all.

mangajunky 12.23.2008 11:43 AM

I don't think Jesus would have liked Christmas.
He probably would have done something to the money changers again.
He didn't get along well with the money changers...but why should Christianity pay attention to anything Christ had to say - they ignore him the rest of the year too.

It's just another appropriated holiday anyway.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 12.23.2008 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by mangajunky
I don't think Jesus would have liked Christmas.
He probably would have done something to the money changers again.
He didn't get along well with the money changers...but why should Christianity pay attention to anything Christ had to say - they ignore him the rest of the year too.

It's just another appropriated holiday anyway.


you know, that only applies to western christianity, where America and to a lesser extend Europe base the success of the holiday season, not on good deeds or the love of family, but on how much excessive material consumption occurs, and it if is on par or above the previous years excessive consumption...

luckily for Jesus, it is still his birthday and still worth celebrating.

 

gualbert 12.23.2008 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
luckily for Jesus, it is still his birthday and still worth celebrating.

Nah, it' the winter solstice, a former pagan celebration that the christians have "borrowed".

!@#$%! 12.23.2008 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by gualbert
Nah, it' the winter solstice, a former pagan celebration that the christians have "borrowed".


tru dat

Danny Himself 12.23.2008 01:52 PM

I gave a hobo a bottle of champagne last night. Christmas spirit YEAH

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 12.23.2008 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by gualbert
Nah, it' the winter solstice, a former pagan celebration that the christians have "borrowed".


that is a silly misunderstanding you have there. Why do christians have to be borrowing from so-called paganism? Could not the celebration of the birth of the Light of the World also coincide with ancient celebrations of the solstice? In fact, from the Christian perspective, the solstice celebrations were an ancient precursor to the birth of Christ, and people were venerating this time of the year in thousands of years of preparation for this birth. So, the solstice is there for Jesus, not jesus added to the solstice, and regardless of your opinion, you have to give credit for the continuity of this thing, the solstice is by no means has ever been as widely venerated as Christmas has been, for at least the past 1600 years..

For example, my birthday often falls on MLK day, am I "borrowing" from Martin Luther King's Birthday in order to celebrate my own?

!@#$%! 12.23.2008 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny Himself
I gave a hobo a bottle of champagne last night. Christmas spirit YEAH


now he's dead in a ditch from liver damage

jingle bells!

atsonicpark 12.23.2008 02:00 PM

this thread is sad and reminds me of some of my own issues I have with life and Christmas so I'm not going to read it anymore. My heart goes out to everyone who has lost someone close to them.

Danny Himself 12.23.2008 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
now he's dead in a ditch from liver damage

jingle bells!


Champagne is like 2%, 2.5% tops. Jingle Bells indeed. :)

Also I think you'll find my city is fairly ditch-free.

Alex's Trip 12.23.2008 02:23 PM

Fuck it dude, I'm not gonna lie. I'm excited for Christmas. Not like I used to be. It really crept up on me. Like...today's the 23rd? Already?weirdsmeout.

But yeah. I'm excited. I'm getting a few books, and maybe some concert tickets. No clue what else.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 12.23.2008 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex's Trip
Fuck it dude, I'm not gonna lie. I'm excited for Christmas. Not like I used to be. It really crept up on me. Like...today's the 23rd? Already?weirdsmeout.

But yeah. I'm excited. I'm getting a few books, and maybe some concert tickets. No clue what else.


You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Alex's Trip again.

[we've been fasting for a month, two weeks to go, I am excited about Christmas too, Ethiopian midnight mass is an ancient and mystical experience ]

gualbert 12.23.2008 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
Why do christians have to be borrowing from so-called paganism?

Cause the winter solstice is the day the light begins lasting longer, it can be useful as a symbol, for a religion.
Quote:

Could not the celebration of the birth of the Light of the World also coincide with ancient celebrations of the solstice?
Oh! Jesus is the Light of the World?
In that case that makes sense, but, is it in the bible? I don't recall.
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the solstice is by no means has ever been as widely venerated as Christmas has been, for at least the past 1600 years..
I have no idea, in what way, and to what extent, how the winter solstice was celebrated BC, but I know how it is today, bump, and I hate this orgy of light and consumption.

✌➬ 12.23.2008 03:48 PM

The sooner we get this done with, the better.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 12.23.2008 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by gualbert
Cause the winter solstice is the day the light begins lasting longer, it can be useful as a symbol, for a religion.


yes, that is exactly my point, it can be useful, but I think your implication was that the religion of christianity stole its use, rather than coincided with. As I said before, my birthday often falls on the celebration of MLK's birthday, but am I borrowing or stealing from the good Dr King?

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Oh! Jesus is the Light of the World?
In that case that makes sense, but, is it in the bible? I don't recall.

12When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life." (John 8:12)

uhler 12.23.2008 04:29 PM

christmas is going to be weird this year since i'm a thousand miles away from my family for the first time. i think i'm getting a lee ranaldo record from my roommate since she keeps bringing it up and actually asked me if i had it. i got her a japanese good luck charm for health and "the fart party" graphic novel. i think we're going to have a tofurkey christmas dinner and watch tv or something.

i'm, also, getting money from my family, so i can put it towards a new track bike. i'm getting that next month.


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