Bloody happy belated 4,000th post, Sonicl. It may not have been a party post, but it was a very wise one indeed!

when i got home i found out that today my sister and her young children had been threatened with having their house burnt down and the kids hurt after she called the police on a group of kids smashing up her car. they alreay stole it earlier in the year and it seems they want more or are bored. she is on the way over now because she's too scared to stay in the house overnight. what a lovely area she lives in.

That's very sad, jonboy. I dearly hope that things come to a successful resolution soon. It says everything about the system that your sister is the one who feels compelled to move; in a society that still had a grounding in decency, she and yourself would be able to relax knowing that the perpetrators would be dealt with.

when the police arrived they attacked them and about 30 people were involved overall. its very scary considering that my neice and nephew are in the house and they have broken into my sisters before. one of them has already been to prison for it.

thing is though, if you look at the kids life what else is he supposed to become? his mum is gone and his dad, an ex jailbird himself doesnt care about him. not that it excuses what he has done but it does explain it somewhat.

thanks hip.

The underlying disgrace is that the perpetrators have been brought up never having been taught the basics of right and wrong.

But even so, there's a differnece between being a bit of a ruffian and deliberately and repeatedly doing evil. Each individual has to be responsible for themselves - shameful acts should lead at least to a feeling of shame, and ultimately to genuie repentance - and if they refuse then they should exect a swift and profound response to teach them to mend their ways. The problem is that they don't expect anything to be done. Legitimisation again.

i'm sorry for your sister family. this kind of thing happens a lot... :( i think that the phase your sister is living thru right now it's the worst, because she have been attacked but the kids are still out there so she's afraid because she have no idea of what else they might do to her.

i dont think that anything will happen as the police know who the purpetrators are and will have a warrant out for their arrest but at the same time its scary because you hear about people being attacked in their own homes because of some stupid revenge thing. the police already said that they cant guard her house 24 hours and i am sure that when they threatened her it was just spur of the moment bravdo but its still as scary as hell.

There's not much I can add to the posts here.

It's such a huge issue, and I don't know why and don't know the solution. All I know is having a family makes things seem more scary than ever.

I live in an area of town that is midway between the pubs and nightclub. So every weekend people stream past from one place to the other.

And every weekend residents' cars are vandalised (nothing's ever stolen, it's just vandalsim).

I know we've all got experiences we could relate, and adding my own, not particularly extreme, example (and there are many others) doesn't add to the debate in any huge way. But it is an issue which becomes more and more relevant to your every day life. I don't know how much that has to do with having children, mind you.

Is it really that bad in the UK?

Kinda makes all the Anti-America threads redundant now, doesn't it.

Redundant, yes. Unlike question marks for rhetorical questions.

Boo-hoo. Go cry in the corner then.

It isn't neccessarily the level of crime that's most worrying, but the refusal of the appropriate agents to crack down on things is becoming a bigger and bigger issue.

The indifference and excuse-making is astonishing. And even that wouldn't be quite so bad if the government crying poverty and lack of resources hadn't spent the best part of ten years turning itself into a legislative and financial Leviathan, bloated on what it has taken from the people.

I would agree, but change it to "successive governments".

People in Angel watching you?Have you got three legs or something?London is a safe city in most parts.

Angel's ok, but there're parts of it perhaps less so. You could've wandered into a trendy spot, in which case you almost certainly had the wrong haircut. There are far scarier areas of London (some not 5 minutes walk from Angel).

Archway Road(not far from Angel) is one of those.You hear about people getting mugged there often. Harlsden is probably the scariest place i've lived in but it's not exactly a place you'd go to unless you live there.

I lived on Archway for a bit. Never had a problem. Heard about it a lot, but I never saw anything. Well, I saw illegal activity, but never anything that particularly made me worry. Loads of Irish round there. Nice area, if you like Irish. Which I do.

Straight Outta Hackney, crazy motherfucker called Porky
From the gang called Limeyz With Attitudes


Yes, I was listening to NWA earlier tonight.

To be perfectly honest,i've never seen a mugging in Archway Road myself and least of all i never noticed that it had a big irish population either.Then again,i don't hang around there often.

That's more straight outta Whitechapel.Bowels lives in Hackney,not me.

He's a real artist now. I had a fun love/ hate relationship with Hackney the six months or so I was there.

dammit, i guess you'll have to move house then. whitechapel just doesn't flow as good with porky as hackney does.

I used to live round the corner from where he lived before and it was ok but the part i lived in was more shit than his.The only place where i've witnessed one mugging and a kid getting his shit beaten up by two guys until we called the police.

New Cross Gate and south east London is where it's at and Bowels better move there if he wanna make it as an artist because,as the say, the Goldsmiths crowd are doing it for the underground masses(yeah,right).

south london is too far away!
anyway, we can always pretend you're from hackney. i doubt every member of nwa lived in compton for all of their lives. so better just start working on your rap skills... and image.

Well,i have a Lonsdale top and i smoke crack while i blast grime records with the windows open for my neighbours to discover my djing skills.If that is not a start,what is?

i don't know if you have a television, but you should get one of these regardless

Incidents like the one your sister is experiencing makes my blood boil. There are many instances where people get threatened and the police do sweet bugger all. Hope it gets sorted out, 'cause it's terrible to live in fear of your family being harmed.

Fear is the important word there. I think many people would agree that fear of thuggery and crime is a worse problem than actual thuggery and crime. I frequently feel threatened if I'm walking down a street and there's a group of ten or so rough-looking kids walking towards me, but the worst that's ever happened to me is that I've had to step into the street because they don't move aside. The media, particularly our good friends the tabloid newspapers, create an atmosphere of fear, giving the impression that you can't leave the house without body armour for fear of being stabbed.

thats true. if i believed everything in the media i would never leave the house again.

i might add that my sister lives 100 metres away from a well known and notorious prison. it seems strange that this kind of thing could happen so close. last night someone threw stones through the windows.

You're right sonicl....
You lot on this forum are all terribly middle class, complaining about thuggery and the goverment not doing anything (which is not true in fairness, come on). I have hardly ever been confronted by these 'thugs', i just can't understand how aside from a few isolated cases in a few very, very bad areas this is even a problem. To call Britain a 'breading ground' for thuggish behaviour is hypobolic to say the least!

The thread title is a question and not a claim. :rolleyes:

I was answering the threads question, im not saying anyone is actually calling Britain that, I dont think anyone here is that dumb lol

bread grows out of the ground in britain?

Does it not grow out of the ground where you live?

Looks like it. Is Britain so unimportant, that you spell it without a capital letter? :D

Its just that we are really humble

sadly not... maybe it just won't grow below sea-level.



i just can't spell, that's all...
note how humbly i wrote "i" without a capital there.