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SuchFriendsAreDangerous 10.09.2010 03:01 PM

Albini is truly the greatest recordist of our era and one of the best of all time. He may be eccentric, but I must admit he is not quite a sell out. It seems if anything that he has been the last thread of artistic integrity in the mainstream recordings of several bands and albums, and has already been pointed out, he hardly made any money of any of them!

I enjoy practically EVERYTHING he has recorded, and his touch is a sure sign that you will enjoy a band's album.

In regards to this mainstream vs indy debate..

Albini is actually right about the parasitic and exploitative music industry which destroys the art. He is a bit correct, and perhaps giving you a confession from the inside view about how sonic youth should be a bit embarassed, because to a degree they were in fact scouts. I absolutely adore what bands like SY and Nirvana did to mainstream music, utterly destroying hair bands BUT, none-the-less they did give the parasites of the music industry ample room to invade our otherwise delightful indy music scene...
ALL art has went through this debate from all eras. The rich and elitists and exploitative businessmen always are the wealthy patrons and consumers of art, and the artists always deal with this struggle. We should be able to criticize the exploitation without necessary judging the artists who both use and are used by the system. At best, it is just a wink and a nudge...

Kurt Cobain is the Carravagio of our generation, and the music industry are the Medicis.. Albini, he is just the Saint Francis dinosaur a bit out of touch and yet intuitively aware of the drama of the business, but at least a shines a light into the darkness, and all light in the context of darkness at times seems a contradiction to itself, but inevitably your eyes adjust..

Derek 10.10.2010 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ann ashtray
I think we're all forgetting that Rob is one of few people on here that often actually DOES know what he's talking about.

I like Rob. His interests go beyond musical snobbery + video games.

BeSt QUOTE OF THE BOARD.

ann ashtray 10.10.2010 08:48 AM

A wildflower painted and confined to a frame.

atsonicpark 10.10.2010 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Derek
BeSt QUOTE OF THE BOARD.


Even more so than "I love meth" and "that girl is cute, minus the acne"?!

SURELY YOU JEST!

It's up there, though, definitely.

Derek 10.10.2010 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ann ashtray
A wildflower painted and confined to a frame.

Yeah that's a funny quote, not quite Lenny Bruce extremes though.

Derek 10.10.2010 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by atsonicpark
Even more so than "I love meth" and "that girl is cute, minus the acne"?!

SURELY YOU JEST!

It's up there, though, definitely.

One of my favorite quotes to pass out to after a night of heavy Derek style drinking. That kid, + that damned love/hate relationship w/ whiskey. Worst ex-girlfriend ever. She shows up at random times, begging him to take her + he loves 'er so much that he's just gotta, gotta, gotta. After a few days she starts wearin' on 'em though, + he tells her to get lost again. Wines a bit sweeter, a bit more understanding. Even if not quite as sexy. She can sit on his fridge-top looking all sexy sometimes for days on end, and he doesn't even have to touch her.

atsonicpark 10.10.2010 09:19 AM

But Swa(y) + Ms. Ezra Brooks, they've had some great times w/ that quote..... Room dark as shit and spinning, that quote will slow things down a bit.

Derek 10.10.2010 09:20 AM

yeah, it's toward the top of my list of fav. quotes to get drunk to. + whenever I'm reading it, I feel like the only person in the entire world. I can dig that.

atsonicpark 10.10.2010 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ni'k
worst post of all time?


Quote:

Originally Posted by atsonicpark
Yeah, it's up there.

Yeah, it's definitely, DEFINITELY up there!

Derek 10.10.2010 09:21 AM

I thought it was fantastic.

atsonicpark 10.10.2010 09:23 AM

Hey guys,

I'm just going to explain my post by saying that that quote fucking bored me to death, I think it's one of the worst quotes I've ever heard and I don't really hate things without humor, there are some quotes that I really dig (from Derek, atsonicpark, Glice, Dead-Air...) but I listened to that quote when I wasn't that much into quoting (basically, at the time, I was thinking that quotes = boring). Now, maybe I should give it another try but seriously, from what I remember, it was just plain boring...

Derek 10.10.2010 09:25 AM

It's a quote. It doesn't give you a fucking personality.

atsonicpark 10.10.2010 09:26 AM

I like quotes. Their interests go beyond musical snobbery + video games.

Derek 10.10.2010 09:28 AM

Hhaa, Robe. actually made a tribute (in title anyway) cd.. Quotes:Special Low Frequency Edition (Boris made the Absolutego tribute version too). Great album. Phases 3 is also awesome. The thing is, it was such a simple but perfect quote that there really doesn't need to be any more speechdrone stuff that sounds like this album -- and yet there was...
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tons of it.





atsonicpark 10.10.2010 09:30 AM

(I just fuckin adore the structure of the quote. Quoteage eventually gives way to unquoteage with quote-percussives, and the way that these people did it is beyond mere worship. It really is a compositional masterpiece, up there with Bach and Cage.) __________________

Derek 10.10.2010 09:33 AM

I love that record, but to be honest, I like meth more. "Hex" and "The Bees Made Honey in the Lion's Skull" totally blew my mind. Driving stoned in the desert with those sounds is surreal. I love the wild west "Blood Meridian" influences. Meth is one of today's most important drugs.

atsonicpark 10.10.2010 09:35 AM

i listen to ann ashtray's quotes in my car so it sounds like i'm driving a refrigerator.

Derek 10.10.2010 09:39 AM

ann ashtray is swa(y), now I don't know if he has other quotes, but who the fuck cares.

Odelay for me, and sea change too coz the extracts are amazing on that.

atsonicpark 10.10.2010 10:09 AM


 


 


 


 


Steve says "end of thread."

Moshe 10.11.2010 01:32 AM

http://pitchfork.com/features/articl...f-sonic-youth/

Adolfo 10.11.2010 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Moshe


don't have time to read all this....

nicfit 10.11.2010 02:58 AM

I suppose that guy gets paid by the word.
Honestly, I'm kiddin and I don't want to sound "disrespectful", coz that's a sort of "recap" written by a sy fan after all, but it's quite an unnecessary read for people who knows SY a bit.
I can see it have some "usefulness" for younger pitchfork audience perhaps, but I think a good portion of those who know Albini enough to give a damn about what he says do also know SY a bit...dunno.
I'm ranty.

Toilet & Bowels 10.11.2010 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666
I also have a real problem with his thing about the band having day jobs. Shellac easily have a high enough profile for its members not to have to work 9-5. They choose not to tour, either out of laziness or (I suspect) because Albini makes far more as an in-demand, 'name' producer than he would on the road. I wouldn't be surprised if it's a case of the other members having to keep their day jobs, simply because Albini won't leave his. Either way, are bands like High on Fire, or Clutch any less 'indie' because they make a living touring, rather than through a regular day job? Albini's had this weird hard-on for some idealised blue-collar bullshit from the beginning. He should fuck off and become a miner and stop ruining Stooges albums.


I don't know, I think this is a perfectly reasonable and realistic attitude to have. I would imagine the pressure of having to depend on your band for a living would increase the chances of the band breaking up, and if you're friends with the people in your band it could also ruin the friendship.

PAULYBEE2656 10.11.2010 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by atsonicpark

Either way, no amount of drugs would ever make me want to sit through a Radiohead album again.

not even kid a???

anyhoo...everyone going all boo hoo because steve ripped on sy turning all corporate! so what..this isnt new news...this isnt even old news...its old end of story. albini is allowed to speak his mind and you can agree or disagree with him til the cows come home, end of story is that they exist and the opinions exist and anyone who takes this seriously shoould really be forced to listen to THE CORAL whilst watching other people take drugs..

albini rocks!

good article, shame about the dufus!

ann ashtray 10.11.2010 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by atsonicpark
But Swa(y) + Ms. Ezra Brooks, they've had some great times w/ that quote..... Room dark as shit and spinning, that quote will slow things down a bit.


Some great time's indeed.

She's been replaced again though. I miss her sometimes!

:(

Chris Lawrence 10.12.2010 04:17 AM

maybe he's upset cuz they never used the guitar he gave them...

atsonicpark 10.12.2010 05:22 AM

haha that's ridiculous, thanks for that.

i remember the guy from nuclear rabbit had a 14 string bass or something ridiculous.

nicfit 10.12.2010 05:24 AM

chapman sticks huhhghhh ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6EEM2Lk1Ag

Adolfo 10.12.2010 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Lawrence
maybe he's upset cuz they never used the guitar he gave them...


ugly. cool

RdTv 10.12.2010 08:18 AM

I see where Albini is coming from, respect that point of view and feel its not a slap in the face of SY, all he is doing is hypathetically asserting his stance and opinions towards the past actions of another band. People do this all the time and its not a big deal, Albini just said what he thought and I'm sure SY doesn't think any less of him.

ann ashtray 10.12.2010 09:24 PM

Even if he meant it as a slap in the face (which he clearly didn't), and even if the Youth DID take it as offensive...why would it even matter?

atsonicpark 10.12.2010 09:45 PM

Hm, that's quite an interesting question. Why does anything matter? Why even care about anything, or talk about anything? Why have an opinion? Why even think? Why even exist?

ann ashtray 10.12.2010 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by atsonicpark
Hm, that's quite an interesting question. Why does anything matter? Why even care about anything, or talk about anything? Why have an opinion? Why even think? Why even exist?


All of which has absolutely everything and nothing to do with my original question.

good job.

atsonicpark 10.13.2010 12:00 AM

Everything and nothing has everything and nothing to do with everything and nothing.

Moshe 10.13.2010 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Dead-Air
Moshe, I love you, but you totally mistitled this thread.


That was the title pitchfork used. I just copied it.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 10.13.2010 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atsonicpark
Why does anything matter? Why even care about anything, or talk about anything? Why have an opinion? Why even think? Why even exist?


 

atsonicpark 10.13.2010 12:49 PM

Is he making devil horns?

rappard 10.21.2010 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Moshe

Another reason not to read Pitchfork. I'm still amazed that none of their editors know the meaning of the word "verbiage".

atsonicpark 10.21.2010 04:39 AM

I think the biggest reason not to read them is that just about everyone knows that their reviews are based 100% on payola -- and yet people still take their reviews seriously! The day a band gets reviewed on pitchfork, there's about 500 posts on last.fm with people debating the score... "OH MY GOD, I CAN;T BELIEVE IT ONLY GOT AN 8.3. IT TOTALLY DESERVED AN 8.8!" ... Horrid site. I mean, I guess, in the end, it's understandable if people want to read them -- stupidity can be funny -- but to take them seriously? That's what I really gotta question... one read of their review of NYC GHOSTS AND FLOWERS made me not only question the website and the writer, but to question the English language itself.

rappard 10.21.2010 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by atsonicpark
I think the biggest reason not to read them is that just about everyone knows that their reviews are based 100% on payola
[snip]

Seriously? Proof?


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