I'm not Aboriginal, Atari. You dumbfuck.

normaj, im sorry but copypasting turgid prose won't help your case. meat rots for 14 days in your colon. what's next? the boogeyman? xenu? the rapture?

My pre-med friend took a class on causes of cancer and said that basically doing anything will increase your likelyhood for cancer in one way or another. Did we all forget cellphone radiation?

Also my great aunt would have an egg and a glass of orange juice everyday and lived to 96. I'm not claiming causality but she did enjoy roast beef.

marsupial-fucker haha just ribbin' ya

Look, like I wrote before, red meat is a heavy food. There's no doubt about it. Therefore, one has to have a balanced diet or enjoy it in moderation for there not to be problems. I have some veggies, usually a salad, with my steak, for instance.

I like tofu.
My boobs are HUGE.

Savage do you have any recipes with tofu in it?

It's commonsense, @#$%,.

You eat meat, that's your decision, but no need to pretend it's a holy excerise when it's been proven otherwise.

I'll have to get back to you.
The short answer is yes, but not right now.
Inaccessible at the moment.

anyway, more constructively. how to make hummus.

it's easier with a food processor. grinding chickpeas is a pain in the ass and i know no other method. anyway, you'll need, approximately:

1/2 jar (8 oz?) of tahini (sesame butter, sorta)
1 can of garbanzo beans (preferably the organic kind)
a lemon
a couple of cloves of garlic
salt

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so this goes in 2 parts
first puree your chickpeas. not easily done in a blender. needs food processor-- you can get a cheap black&decker processor for $30. 1-year warranty.

if you prefer by hand-- i dont knwo-- use a metate?



anyway, in a large bowl, put your tahini, the juice of the lemon, the crushed garlic, the salt (not too much eh) and a small splash of water.

stir with a wooden spoon.

the thing will curdle and act weird then blend in. keep adding water little by litte. the thing will curdle get tough then become smooth again. like that until you get a creamy texture, not too liquidy.

then add the tahini to the garbanzo paste & that's it.

sprinkle with olive oil and zatar (thyme). eat with a big tomato/lettuce/cucumber/parsley salad and some pitas.

american-made tomato tends to be like a nasty paste because americans have fear of fat (sesame). however in the middle east hummus is creamy and superior because it contains a larger proportion of tahini. hence it is considered a full meal not some fuckin party dip.

hummus full beitza ve salat FTW. sorry for the spelling.

What certainly isn't proven (it isn't even logical) is that red meat stays in your colon for a couple of weeks!

Again, it is a heavy food though, and thus, just like cheese, can cause constipation unless you are maintaining a relatively balanced diet.

what is commonsense? you mean NONsense?

where the fuck did you get this shit about the meat rotting in your gut for 14 days? do you ever take a shit? please, mr. commonsense, explain this condition.

pinche synth, did you ever learn to cook grains like i showed you? brown rice? quinoa? millet? oats? that's the basis of your vegetarian recipes right there.

just stir fry some tofu with chinese veggies (bok choy, snow peas), some ginger, sprinkle soy sauce, and serve over rice. tasty fucking lunch.

Well I have heard that, but this is coming from my health teacher. And we know how she is.

We've stumbled into an episode of "Aussie folk beliefs" or he got that shit from Beverly Hills Cop. It's a scene in the movie where the Judge Reinhold character is reading an article in the newspaper.

So that's his source: an actor reading a newspaper in a movie.

imdb has the quote:
(officers are on stakeout of Axel Foley)
Detective Rosewood: Wow. You know, it says here that by the time the average American is fifty, he has five pounds of undigested red meat in his bowels.
Sergeant Taggart: Why are you telling me this? What makes you think I have any interest in that at all?
Detective Rosewood: Well, you eat a lot of red meat.

Those nutty colonic-crazed Californians.

Why does every thread about vegetarianism becomes a "I don't understand vegetarianism," "you're a murderer," "fallascious reasoning," "look at this study," etc. piece of shit?

Vegetarianism isn't all that controversial and I don't believe that vegetarians are healthier, better people for not eating meat.

There are so many more important things to argue over than defending your dietary choices.

Atari you need to get your tongue from @$@##$ arse. You're clearly trying to impress him.

Was I the one to bring the rotting of meat in your body up? Therefore clearly it's not only I who knows this fact.

Yeah, I have to say I honestly don't care what's on anyone else's plate.
It's a personal choice. Information is available on the subject for interested people.
Appreciation to everyone who actually gave the man some recipes.

Can you not get out of the thread then? Mouse Broken? keyboard not functioning?

well i dont mind a little discussion here and there, but when people try to champion absolutely bollocky ideas with no foundation in any other thing than a fanatical fancy, i do get a littly riled up and might demand the truth.

it is actually better for you from a cholesterol/triglyceride standpoint to eat a vegetarian diet. and a low cholesterol/triglycerides benefit you in many ways (some of which is listed in norma's cut and paste) now.. eating meat in moderation as part of a healthy diet = fine.

meat doesn't stay in you for 14 days. FACT. it's just a fucking fact.

Girlgun that is not what my health teacher said. Do you have a masters?

Your health teacher is wrong. Even if you are severely constipated, food is going to leave your body within a few days. If it didn't, you'd be going to the emergency room, believe me.

I cannot understand why I still have to defend this obvious point.

Yeah, Norma J must not shit haha...or maybe he eats steak like a snake would and doesn't chew. Snakes prefer live food though, of course.

And, absolutely girlgun, red meat (generally lower quality)and other fatty foods in excess (& most Americans do eat them to excess unfortunately) aren't good for the heart. Neither is smoking, and I've got one lit, as usual, right now. But, yeah, some nice sliced roast beef from the deli section is lean and light compared with eating a hamburger or steak.

yes. correct. thank you.

that 14 day thing just got me up in arms. it takes some fucking gall to say shit like that with a straight face. unfuckingbelievable.

you go tell your health teacher to shove it up her chakra. (or some shit?)

anyway i have better things to do at 11pm than argue this shit :D

good night people.

Actually I do believe someone said something along the lines of:

Onani Nic:Also it's debatable whether eating red meat is good for you or not, while a friend was at the doctors she was told that red meat is terrible for your digestive system. Something about it rotting inside as it cant be digested properly (I might be off the mark on this one).

Which was followed with:

Anngela: I've heard the same thing about meat not being good for your digestive system.

Then you claimed all to be false and your conclusion was that you eat mustard with your meals hahaha. You didn't prove anything yet you claimed it to be nonsense. So where is your facts?

Maybe I'm actually interested in some vegetarian recipes, douche?

Sorry it only comes out.

TITHEAD

goodnight :)

Then find the recipes, print them out, cook them up, make them and stop complaining. Every thread turns into shit, it's expected. It's also expected, and just as cliched, when someone complains about that.

Synth just saw to that.

To me, it seems the most healthy diet would be one prescribed by a dietician with a specialty in macrobiotics. And what they would probably say is to eat very little, and (believe it or not) drink very little (just about always only water). When you do eat, have a fine-tuned balance of fruits and vegetables with grains and raw grains. The macrobiotic diet would probably allow some fresh fish or seafood a couple of times a week and only very rarely allow red meat, pork, poultry, cheese, snacks, desserts, and so on.

Yet you ask me for facts. Where's your facts? You eat meat, that's the only fact you have. You do something therefore you think it's right. There's numerous articles about this, I posted one as did Anngela. You couldn't even comprise an article. You just had Atari. Which clearly degrades any argument you may have.

This has not been about to whether the eating of meat is right or wrong, this has been about whether meat is easily digestable. Which it is not.

so, what yr trying to say is, deep inside the colon, there exist specialized MEAT HOOKS that selectively pull aside the meat and keep it from pooing out with the rest of the junk??

I'm so testing out that theory by dying my next burger blue.

here you go, Norma J.

A google search for "red meat digestion time."

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...digestion+time

http://www.google.com/search?q=red+meat+digestion+time&hl=en&start=10&sa =N

Oh, I think this one is probably the best source I see:
http://drbass.com/sequential.html


DIGESTION TIME OF VARIOUS FOODS
(approx. time spent in stomach before emptying). ........
Water when stomach is empty, leaves immediately and goes into intestines,
Juices Fruit vegetables, vegetable broth - 15 to 20 minutes.
Semi-liquid (blended salad, vegetables or fruits) - 20 to 30 min. Fruits
Watermelon - 20 min.digestion time.
Other melons - Canteloupe, Cranshaw, Honeydew etc. - 30 min.
Oranges, grapefruit, grapes - 30 min.
Apples, pears, peaches, cherries etc. - digest in 40 min.
Vegetables
Raw tossed salad vegetables - tomato, lettuces, cucumber, celery, red or green pepper, other succulent vegetables - 30 to 40 min. digestion. -
Steamed or cooked vegetables
Leafy vegetables - escarole, spinach, kale, collards etc. - 40 min. - Zucchini, broccoli, cauliflower, string beans, yellow squash, corn on cob - all 45 min. digestion time
Root vegetables - carrots, beets, parsnips, turnips etc. - 50 min.
Semi-Concentrated Carbohydrates - Starches
Jerusalem artichokes & leafy, acorn & butternut squashes, corn, potatoes, sweet potatoes, yam, chestnuts - all 60 min. digestion.
Concentrated Carbohydrates - Grains
Brown rice, millet, buckwheat, cornmeal, oats (first 3 vegetables best) - 90 min.
Legumes & Beans - (Concentrated Carbohydrate & Protein)
Lentils, limas, chick peas, peas, pigeon peas, kidney beans, etc. - 90 min. digestion time
soy beans -120 min. digestion time
Seeds & Nuts
Seeds - Sunflower, pumpkin, pepita, sesame - Digestive time approx. 2 hours.
Nuts - Almonds, filberts, peanuts (raw), cashews, brazil, walnuts, pecans etc. - 2 1/2 to 3 hours to digest.
Dairy
Skim milk, cottage or low fat pot cheese or ricotta - approx. 90 min. digestion time
whole milk cottage cheese - 120 min. digestion
whole milk hard cheese - 4 to 5 hours digestion time
Animal proteins
Egg yolk - 30 min. digestion time
Whole egg - 45 min.
Fish - cod, scrod, flounder, sole seafood - 30 min. digestion time
Fish - salmon, salmon trout, herring, (more fatty fish) - 45 min. to 60 digestion time
Chicken - 1½ to 2 hours digestion time (without skin)
Turkey - 2 to 2 ¼ hours digestion time (without skin)
Beef, lamb - 3 to 4 hours digestion time
Pork - 4½ to 5 hours digestion time

(Editor's notes
Note1: raw animal proteins have much faster digestion times than the above times for cooked/heated animal proteins.
Note2: The digestion times given are under an ideal situation of eating only one food, chewing well, and having efficient digestion, as is the case e.g. after a fast. They are digestion times for optimally healthy persons, with good eating habits. The digestion times are to a large part derived from Dr. Gian-Cursio's and Dr. Bass' practices.
Digestion times are much longer on a conventional diet, and for persons with non-optimized digestive systems, or persons lacking in energy, and for meals with many ingredients put together haphazardly = not in the optimum sequential order.)

he didn't say it was easily digestible. he just said it wasn't hanging around inside for 2 weeks!

Fucking prick. Have fun rolling around in your own self-admitted shit.

I told the truth, darling. Nothing wrong with that. You wanted to whinge, you got a reply.

So you edited your post. Ok. Are you not interested in the recipes anymore? Prefer to argue with me now?

i typed this up fo !@#$%! as part of a discussion of whether cilantro sucks or not... and whether you can make pasta sauce without garlic... so ignore that stuff and spice it how you like...

portabella walnut marinara suace:

i usually started with olive oil in a frying pan (enough to partially cover the crushed walnuts, definitely more than just to 'saute' them). gently heat the crushed walnuts on very low heat. the idea was not so much to give them a 'roasted' flavor as to release the walnut oils into the sauce. 'brown' was a poor choice of words as they should not actually change color. or at least i never tried it that way. a few times i substitued pine nuts for walnuts (same kind of slightly bitter nutty flavor) but it wasn't nearly as good.

next i usually added just a splash of vegetable oil to thin the oil a little, heat it to medium and saute the portabellas. when i had the time and wanted it to turn out perfect i would do the mushrooms in a separate pan with butter. either way, do it gently as your trying to get them to release their juices and not 'fry' them. stop before they're fully cooked as they will simmer in the sauce a little later.

at this point dump in the strained tomatos, wine and 2-3 bay leaves. sounds heavy handed, but it's crucial when you have no garlic. likewise with the wine... i usually went heavy handed, which required more simmering down, hence the note about the mushrooms. salt and pepper (freshly ground only) to taste. if you're feeling adventurous, a dash of red pepper flakes. simmer.

thicken with tomato paste. at this point in most of my other pasta sauces i would add some more olive oil for flavor and consistency, but since we started with more than we needed it's not necessary here.

add the herbs. obviously fresh basil and oregano. most people would go with italian parsley, i just happen to like cilantro. at any rate, no curly pasley - it's too bitter. simmer the flavors in just a little, check your salt and pepper, serve over fresh fettucine with some grated parmesan.