That's also true, but I can't stand nostalgia or nostalgic types. It's ok for a day or occasionally, but this type of documentaries make you feel like telling these people to get the fuck over it. And what's worse is some of the younger folks dressing and behaving like they were born in 1967 or something like that. That's very sad to to see in a young person.

Edit - Demon

It's not nostalgia that causes Neil Young to emphatically state (in the '90s) that "there's nobody even in the same building as that guy." Neil is coming from a position of great knowledge of rock 'n' roll music and of the instrument itself.

So, carry on, nitwits, your irreverence and ignorance are amusing.

a gutarist playing blues is gonna play blues. jimi played with all sorts of cats, as I have already stated. Jimi was playing way out shit in the early 60's, getting kicked out of Little Richard's band for that reason.
as to the velvets influence on jimi, I can definitely see that. music is not a solitary pursuit.
he was never claimed to have sprung from nowhere. he studied with many old country blues guys, and learned his trade and stood on the shoulders of giants. However, each and everyone of Jimi's influences has gone on record to state that the dude could outplay them and that it was a tragedy to see him cut short. if he had lived we would not be talking this nonsense.

The rules for Rock music are now so firmly cast that it's now almost impossible for it to move on. The only way to progress is through cross-genre collaboration between musicians, a breaking down of the audience/performer split, a turning away from personality cults, etc. All the things that've been going on outside of Rock music (as it tends to be thought of) for years now.

A new path of rockism needs to be forged that places bands like Amon Duul I, Radiohead, Sonic Youth (in their SYR mode) and NNCK at the very core rather than as some kind of alternative route. Only then can the jams well and truly be kicked out.

Fucking hell, you're still stuck on Lester Bangs notions of music journalism. And I like Lester Bangs' writing a lot, but still you can see for yourself that he had limitations in his thinking.

And the jams should be "kicked out" for what reason? To make the world safe for a no talent bum like yourself to tout yourself as a guitarist?

I do get what you're tryng to relate, but I also can read between the lines to see the frustration that is the true motivation for your opinion.

Bangs is a very colorful writer and lots of fun to read, but the accolades more-or-less stop there.

It's funny that you guys think you know better than Neil Young, that's all.

Er. No. The jams should be "kicked out" to provide a platform for the 21st Century to have a music that properly reflects it, rather than some kind of cosy relic that speaks for an entirely diffetrent age.

That's right, he was more interesting to read than your posts. And more famous for his argumentative nature too. Demonrail is a nice dude who would think twice about prostituting himself for music. How can you tell that he is a bad guitarist when you haven't even heard him playing, Madame Bitterfly?

Edit - Madame Bitterfly

The funny thing is, is that I have absolutely no musical ambition at all. The idea of touring myself as anything, let alone a guitarist (heaven forbid) leaves me cold, frankly.

Of course it's all relative, don't cop out.

By the same token though, when you take all the relevant pieces of information and process them, and if a question is asked to demand to know who is the singular greatest guitar player, then the answer must come back invariably as, "Hendrix."

The thread, which, (as I pointed out earlier, was rather obviously instituted just to cause friction) is about whether we think Jimi is the greatest guitarist or not.

I'm answering that yes, Jimi Hendrix is the best guitarist ever.

Hey, me and atari agree on Hendrix. Whouda thunk it? Can't you feel the love?

You guys should get a room.

Look, I'm not interested either in someone who tries (emphasis on
"tries") to imitate Hendrix, although Stevie Ray Vaughan did a damn swell job of it, but that's been awhile ago.

It's also amusing to me how people with opinions made of gossamer always try to spin shit around to make themselves sound less pathetic.

Of course the thread would cause friction, potatohead. I don't think he is and you think he is. The only difference between the two of us is that I haven't lost interest in music that was made after 1989, and I still demand it in good shape to this day, wherever it comes from and at whichever age it's produced. The same never comes across from your increasingly bitter posts. Go and write for the local paper or something, Alan Partridge wannabe.

Edit - King Kong

Let's face it, the thread may as well be asking whether red is the best colour ever. It's totally subjective.

It's not just you and me, although I appreciate the sentiment.

Most guitarists, hey, most musicians in general, with any talent will also invariably agree. It's certainly not any kind of esoteric knowledge.

People on this board are just obssessed with being "hipster" contrarians, that's all.

[quote=atari 2600]It's not just you and me, although I appreciate the sentiment.

Most guitarists with any talent will also invariably agree.[/quote]

Guitarists you decided have talent, of course.

Hey dickless, I listened to a Battles live recording yesterday that was only recorded a little over a week ago.

Did you buy it?

I would bet a thousand dollars that you suck without ever hearing you play; just my gut instinct, you understand.

the guy from half japanese is a better guitar player than hendrix.

The Supreme Court ruling on the definition of obscenity is that you know it when you see it.

On the flip side, the same can be said for good art.

As for a good guitar part, one knows it when they hear it. I'm not going to write an essay for you, swa(y), sorry. You idle fuckers have robbed me of too much time already today with all this utter nonsense.

I'll help you out with the mortgage if atari gives us a convincing description of a good guitarist. Either that or I'll babysit your future kids on weekends.

Edit - sway

A great guitarist is whoever you think is great. An influential guitarist is an entirely other matter. I saw a student's painting yesterday and with my hand on my heart it was a great piece. If that painting is never shown to the public or if that student never paints another picture then the likelihood of them influencing anybody is practically nil. But that one painting will remain great.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aesthetics

When can I pick-up the car?

Do you have no self control? You can stop, you know.

Quote:
Originally Posted by swa(y)
and betting me a thousand dollars just goes to make me even more curious. you obviously have a set of rules in yr mind that qualify one as a good gutarist...what are they man?

a thousand dollars...haha...pretty serious.

ill give ya my fucking car if ya can PROVE that such rules defining talent actually exist.

and i can say that safely, i cant even afford to give away my car, but fuck man, i know ya cant prove shit.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aesthetics

When can I pick-up the car?

Calling any musician the "best of" always kind of annoys me. I think such comparisons are odious, so, no, would be my answer, too. Great, sure. Best? Don't know or care about that.

So, just to clarify, is Jimi Hendrix the best guitarist ever, or not?

You really are a moron. I don't have to explain anything. There's a whole branch of philosophy called aesthetics that deals with nebulous queries like "what is good art?"

You've just clearly demonstrated that you have no knowledge of aesthetics. My writing comes from a place of having considerable knowledge of aesthetics.

What's the matter? Pissing on Hendrix isn't getting your rocks off enough? You gotta take a shit on philosophy as well now?


You're also a welcher. You owe me one automobile.

You don't call cars automobiles, do you? haha!

jimi hendrix is god

if he were alive, you could stand him up next to any modern guitarist and he would shred in THEIR style better than them, then shred in his style, then shred in a style you nor I have ever seen before, and do it all with efforless grace and aplomb.

jimi hendrix is the greatest electric guitarist ever (of course this is just one man's opinion, as are all statements about who is better best or great)

shiit, Prince is a better guitarist than most of the ones mentioned (barring hendrix of course)

It wouldn't stand up in court anyway. By bringing in the issue of aesthetics Atari acknowledges that no absolute proof yet exists regarding what determines talent.

Case dismissed.

Well, he's dead. RIP Jimi.

I'm off for a shower. Bye Jimi, nice to meet you.

Half Japanese?
This explains a lot of what the guitar is really about...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcu2ONECf_8

talent is definable as an affinity to what you do.

dee dee ramone was NOT a talented guitarist.

most hardcore bands do not have and did not have "talented" guitarists.

what they all lacked in talent they mad eup for in passion and inventiveness and feel.


Jimi had them all, overflowing.

More baseless attacks.

Look, stop hating the world.

Yes, and either these people are too stupid to realize this or they are just too pig-headed. One almost hopes, for their sake, that it's just pig-headedness and internet cack.

Jimi took it all to a new level. It's elementary.

And this is what I get here. A bunch of lame-brain nonsense from a collection of wackadoos.

luxinterior, a purveyor of thoroughly "safe" posts, suggested that I just stop. Well, she doesn't know what it's like to suffer baseless attack after baseless attack.