Yes, you're right that all childrens' tragedies must be recognized and prevented. But what happened in Newtown would have been a big story had it happened in any American neighborhood to people of any color. What makes it especially shocking is that an adult, after killing his mother, travelled to the school specifically to murder these young children. That doesn't happen very often, and I find it hard to believe that it was such a big story because the children were white.

Certainly there are neighborhoods, many of them minority neighborhoods, where violence is part of daily life. And it's disgusting that more is not done about it. But I do believe that America is aware of it. There is a quite a bit of media coverage and pop culture references to minority gangs and crime in inner cities. "Bloods" and "Crips" are household words. I don't think the tragedy is that nobody notices, but the fact that not enough is done about it.

In that regard, whether to mass shootings, school killings, or urban violence, indeed many folks take notice but not enough is done about it.

Most everything in this article is documented in one form another up to The Motive, whcih I don't exactly buy.

http://rense.com/general95/mkultra.html

But this is weird:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibRw4...layer_embedded

And I've been wondering why we have been seeing one old grainy photo over and over. he started taking college classes at age 16. Sure he smashed his harddrive, but why can't the feebs and nsa recreate his activity looking at the isp records? And aren't there any security video from the school showing a single person busting in, and not the 3 killers some are speaking about.

Yeah, I'm sure she feels good about herself shooting dead an innocent, innocuous animal from a great distance with a sniper rifle. Hunting animals for sport has always been an abhorrence and it always will.

everything about this post is awesome! are they going to eat that boar? i imagine it would be pretty tasty. also did she drink the blood after killing it?

I noticed that she wasn't using a military style assault rifle with an extended magazine masquerading as a hunting rifle with silly names like Bushmaster. Neither was she carrying an over-powered yet easily concealable hand gun which essentially is designed to do one thing very effectively, hurt or kill other people. See, I can dig the hunting thing, and hunting riffles and shotguns I got no beef with. Its machine guns and dangerous pistols that concern me. I read a Republican OP-ED which mentioned that murder rates and gun violence are at historic lows, and yet these same Republicans refuse to concede that gun-control is the cause of this reduction. In all the major cities and states which had the highest murder rates, California-LA, New York-NYC, District of Colombia and DC, Illinois and Chicago, we've seen strict regulation imposed at a state and county level on guns, handguns, and especially ammunition. The result? Significant declines in homicide. In 1992 there over 3000 (!!!!!) murders in Los Angeles County. In 2012 there will have been less than 550.. What are gun owners so afraid of? Since when it is a constitutional right to own military weapons or extended magazines or several pistols? It is nobodies right, and as an American I will stand up to any motherfucker about this issue, period.

Tell the NRA to eat a fat dick yo!

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Bytor Peltor again.


Why the massive fight? Who in their right mind honestly could contest a ban on ultra-dangerous weapons? They are called assault weapons because they were designed for forward military operations, an assault. Further, why do Americans need to own SEVERAL hand guns? Why not ask for an ID when buying ammunition? If it is for honest purposes, why not be honest about it? See these are the kinds of regulations that have worked in California and Los Angeles County for years now. We have state and local level assault weapons bans, hand gun purchase limits, and mandatory ID for ALL ammunition. The net result? Lawful gun owners have their shit, and we have less crime and murders as the criminals lose access.

Of course, Byron, you already should know that I am TOTALLY opposed to ALL gun ownership and sales in this country. The grim reality Americans need to face is that bad guys and good guys get their guns from the same places, so if you cut off the guns, you cut off the bad guys. This is what has worked in California and D.C. and N.Y.C and we believe it can work in the entire nation as well. As it is, if the Federal Government can't get its shit together, the local states, counties and cities can easily pursue as have California and New York.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people, but if you take away the guns, you eliminate more than half the chance. Other societies seem to be able to handle the responsibility of guns just fine, in Finland 1 in 3 people own a gun and their murder rates and gun violence rates are quite literally an embarrassment to American culture and society. So really, guns aren't the problem, but clearly armed Americans is :(

Slow your roll. Society is about reality and reality is about compromise. Only the people can succeed in eliminating or prohibiting anything in their communities. It is not a top down, it is a bottom up situation. So legislation alone is empty to remove gun violence from our communities. At this stage in the game, a reasonable and adult compromise is to remove assault weapons, restrict hand guns, and regulate ammunition by ID-only purchasing requirements (as is the current scenario in California)

By removing all guns, I would not suggest strictly legislation rather a paradigm shift in the community. In LA we used to have gun shops all over the place, now just a few retailers. We also used to have 3000 murders, and now we have a six-fold decrease. Again, how can you as a gun owner defend owning military style weapons, or extended magazines, or multiple pistols, or completely unrestricted ammunition? Is it that hard for you to pull out your ID to by some more rounds if it will keep the criminals who you own your gun to protect yourself against from having ammunition in the first place?

the last person i want to own any kind of gun, let alone an assault rifle is an american. i mean its not as if anything bad happens when americans with guns are around.

Does Jonboy feel bad about the dead children killed by a gun?

It says alot how every time these things happen the gunman is either killed by the police or his own hand, almost never by the fantasy Lone Ranger bystander with a handgun.

OR she gets shot first, he comes into the classroom, finds all the kids and theres 20 more dead children. Id say theres a 50/50 chance of that, and id err on the side of hiding the kids rather than taking out the gun. Do you want all your schoolteachers militarised? a loaded handgun in their desk?

In that situation the gun would have to be within quick, easy access to the teacher for the fantasy OK Corall scenario. And therefore in quick, easy access to the students as well, every single day. The killer got his guns where he knew he could find them; his mothers own stash. You think kids wouldnt be able to get into teachers cabinet if they really wanted to?

or the teacher is the person that has a psychotic episode and decides to kill a bunch of kids and has access to a handgun.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to jon boy again.

The ONLY place for the OK Corral at elementary schools in America ;)

you actually introduced the "what ifs" with your fantasy land where every teacher has a weapon so dont you get all high and mighty about that.

Anyway, a teachers sanity should not be weighed up after we've put a handgun in his hand. In the UK we have had ONE definite case of a police officer wrongly killing a civilian with a gun in my whole life. You can trust the police with guns if they know that other people arent likely to have them.

As for what you say about the teacher who hid her students. She didnt have a fucking gun, she hid the kids away and saved their lives. What if the teacher ISNT a quick thinking, dynamic person in that scenario? You wanna train your teachers as if theyre prison guards? Theres a nice old saying Americans have that says "Give me liberty or give me death". Maybe the best way of preventing the last of those is stopping people having stashes of deadly firearms in their houses. Just a thought.

Upwards of 40% (!!!) of the firearms sold in America annually. This is a loophole that needs to be closed but too many "guns' rights" folks resist even this simple task. So we have a myth that guns are strictly controlled through background checks when the reality is their not. Further, US arms retailers report 30,000 missing or stolen firearms to the ATF each year, that just what they bother to report. As to carrying permits, I think no body realistically wants schoolteachers to be armed, the reasonable compromise is to put armed police in every single one of 99,000 public schools in America. While it is plausible, it seems honestly ridiculous. Further, big surprise the NRA would promote a plan that essentially says, "Hey, go out and buy 100,000 guns for the schools."




So would you really trust your kids' schoolteachers in a shootout not to hit your own children in the crossfire? That is the Pandora's Box about this issue, it would be all the worse a tragedy if school teachers or just armed citizens accidentally harm or kill innocent people in the crossfire. And no, I don' condone or forgive people for such accidents in the name of trying to help. Helping is automatically negated when such assistance results in grievous bodily harm or worse, death and loss of life.

I've already proposed the simplest solution, the one which is in effect in LA County. Mandatory nationwide ID-checks for the purchase of ANY ammunition ANYWHERE in the country under ANY circumstance. If folks are buying such ammunition for honest purposes, they have nothing hide or worry about.

This statement makes me more depressed than even the Newton shootings,because here in the Los Angeles area alone, we have about 100 officer involved shootings which result in death, and upwards of 30% of those figures are unarmed folks wrongly killed in the process of apprehension. In LA they have a shoot first explain later philosophy, and they don't shoot people in the leg, we're talking strictly kill shots :( :( :(

inconsistencies for those who ask. Where is the video of Lanza busting through the front door. I will not believe they did not have video surveillance at a school in rich CT.

http://www.conspiracy-cafe.com/apps/...n-drive-my-car

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-san...mation/5316776

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/12...ut-of-control/

God I really am beginning to despise this whole "it's the new world order trying to ban our guns!". Not a single thing on there gives the slightest bit evidence to say anything other than what has been shown.

A classic one is this one-

"Did a mass evacuation of the school take place?"

What you trying to hint at? That NO KIDS WHERE IN THE BUILDING?! Brilliant.

And then, suddenly and unfathomably, gunshots rang out. “I can’t even remember how many,” Varga said.[5]

The recollection contrasts sharply with an updated version of Lanza’s arrival where at 9:30AM

Everybody in the police force knows that one of the most unreliable things to go off is eye-witness reports. There's your version, my version and the truth to para-phrase.



Like I said, not a single thing points to anything other than the unfortunate situation that happened. The conspiracy nutjobs need to stop trying to crowbar anything to fit their fears of a New world order.

I think the writer is pointing out that the images you were shown repeatedly had nothing to do with the actual massacre.

trauma based mind control operating at a mass level.

maybe instead of parroting the mainstream media with its namecalling bullying, ("nutjob! nutjob! nutjob!) maybe you can tell us where the video surveillance is?

(a) This the computer era, photographs and video is so easily manipulated I would think you of all pseudo-paranoid conspiracy folks would be the first to not trust such..



(b) You're request for video evidence is if anything all the more indicative of the reality that our society has devolved into an almost voyeuristic one, where we all demand photos and videos invading each others' mutual privacy. Tragedy is not an opportunity for TMZ coverage. I don't WANT to see surveillance video of dozens of small children being attacked, or their noble teachers panicking in the face of a microcosmic Apocalypse. Do you really need to see this video to accept that regardless of the circumstances, dozens of people mostly small children were slaughtered?

This.

The thing is, there could be a smoking gun and a shooter right there, and conspiracy theorists still wouldn't be happy.

All I asked for was the video of Lanza shooting in the front door of the school all by his lonesome. I don't wish to see a bunch of dead children. CSI on network TV serves that social function if desired.

Even the Chinese released this which shows more than I need to see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=cFqEnVqKUJ4

This article does ask some good questions:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/12...ti-gun-psy-op/

and I was unaware this was going on:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/facebook...-accounts.html

Perhaps you should contact all future child murderers and ask them to set up a lighting rig by the entrance of the school they wish to decimate, pose for a few seconds showing all angles of their face, recite their name and provide a signed, written, and sealed letter explaining themselves and their motives to you personally.

Ive actually been watching a few old 9/11 conspiracy "debates" over the last couple of days, theyre actually quite quaint now.

Don't get me started on that one. I have one seemingly every week with a guy at work about it. Along with his theories that aliens built the Great Pyramid and the one about NWO ruling the world.

Its because everyone has broadband now, they expect all the information to be crystal clear immediately and for there to be no contradictions or inconsistencies, which always happens in the immediate aftermath of a chaotic event. Conspiracy theorists then jump on these and link them together to form an alternative plot (Its always a plot, theres always a demon behind it) and when a more thorough investigation is done, anyone involved is part of a "cover up".

Isn't it interesting. For thousands of years of human culture and history, conspiracy thrives on the lack of available knowledge and information, building up like mythology. So in theory, in our modern, instant-gratification era of streaming video and uber-updated social medial privacy invasion, all conspiracies should have simply evaporated under the sheer absurdity of some of it. However, alas, the interwebs has actually made conspiracies even MORE entrenched than ever.. its really weird actually. Even something mundane like the "Fail Mary" fiasco between the Packers and the Seahawks. The more I watched videos and looked at dissected photos it was all the more clear to me that Seahawks caught the ball, and indeed, months later most sports writers are of the same conclusion. However at there are still all the more websites and diagrams trying in vain to prove the opposite, and 99% of Americans probably still think that Packers were robbed.. A picture really does say a thousand words, unfortunately its a thousand different words to a thousand different people..

I want proof on film, ideally directed by Ridely Scott, that tesla69 uses the toilet regularly, as I'm not convinced he does.

and somehow these theorists always find a way to blame the jews as i unsuprisingly saw in some of telsa's articles.

The level of antisemitism that runs through a hell of a lot of conspiracy theories really is just shocking.

ahhh, the gun show....

The truth is that most guns used in crime are gotten illegally. They are not purchased from dealers, or at gun shows. The black market for guns is HUGE

Yes, people go to gun shows and "legally" buy several, then report them missing or stolen or just don't, and them sell them "illegally" to the criminal black market. Further, the ATF reports 30,000 stolen firearms ANNUALLY in the US, that is a lot of potentiality for crime. Lastly, criminals steal them from warehouses, shipping docks, and train freight yards, where there are literally guns by the rail car and shipping container. So the reality is criminals and legitimate people inevitably get their guns from the same exact places. In LA County we've had a wonderful phenomenon, we zoned out most of the firearms retailers, and low and behold our murder and violent crime rates have decreased 600% since 1992. That is because there are less guns to steal from gun shops, the docks, and freight yards. Less guns to sell equals less guns to steal equals less guns on the street to harm and kill, period. This is not ideology, this is the reality of gun-control in Los Angeles over the past 20 years. As guns dried up, crime didn't increase, criminal access didn't increase, quite the opposite, our city and county and region became an unimaginably safer place. When I was growing up in elementary school, there were neighborhoods in Los Angeles with murder and violent crime rates as high as Baghdad or Allepo. Thank the Lord it is not like that anymore, LA is hardly recognizable from the stereotypes of the 1980s and 1990s, and we thank God firstly and gun control secondly. Texas, you should pay attention, I understand your violent crime and murder rates are rising despite all that solid gun ownership ;)

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oh wait, wrong photo!

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to !@#$%! again.

Looks like the door to the classroom was locked on the day when punctuation was covered.

The NRA's suggestion, and they say this with all honesty, is to place armed guards at every single school in the country. RIDICULOUS. .

The NRA receives millions and millions each year from gun manufacturers to lobby Congress and pretend they are speaking for normal 'mericans.