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Originally Posted by Glice

1. Comparing anything to the Nazis is off-limit. Because nothing is rational then.
2. I was contrasting that 'Ni'k is extreme' with your also excessively extreme statement. Ni'k is criticising the here-and-now, not relying overly on historical/ hysterical antecedents.
3. China (by western reports) didn't kill people in preparation for the games, they relocated them; they also shut down any means of peaceful protest. The did this in a horrible and inhumane fashion. The Nazis shot insurgents and protesters. As did Pinochet (etc).
4. Regarding the 'foot-in-mouth' comment, I talk a lot of shit. I didn't, however, at any point start and continue defending a thread in which I suggested that "Germany's" holocaust memorials were somehow 'Disneyland-esque'; I likewise didn't suggest that Germany was somehow proud of murdering a sizeable proportion of Jewry in Europe.

a) The Nazis did a lot of totalitarian things BEFORE genocide, and it is of course historically fair game to compare the extreme authoritarianism of the Nazi regime to other examples of blatant and inappropriate authoritarianism.

b)

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Originally Posted by ni'k

i mean WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG with a human being who dedicates their life to trying to run a certain distance in less and less miliseconds. how much do you have to hate your body and the possibilites of existance to dedicate yourself to something like that? and all the fucking nationalism that goes along with it? yuk. disgusting.

how is this not extreme?

c) The Chinese employed very similar tactics as the Nazis in regards to the Olympics, in fact the same kinds of tactics the Nazis used when they hosted the Games in Berlin (relocation, censorship, mass arrests, propaganda etc etc).. also, the Nazis unlawfully with excessive force relocated people and THEN executed them.. Glice you seem to have your WWII time line all mixed up my brother.

d) get over it.. that was one post, and I stand by my statement.. When I see cameras, back packs, tour buses and souvenir cups how am I not talking about a tourist attraction? We disagree regarding an opinion, but now three times you have incorrectly criticized the facts I have posted. You only have two feet my friend, whose foot did you borrow to cram into your mouth with your own two?

we have a gold medal in women's biathlon!

Every time there is some big international event in a city, the people who live there don't like it. Riot police marching all over, all kinds of yellow tape, etc.

fuck that shit. id give my left arm to live in a city which holds a major sporting event like the olympics or the world cup or whatever just to have the opportunity to attend the event. stop whinging and complaining and maybe go out and enjoy it. this thread reeks of the "twitchy net curtain syndrome" that is prevelent in ireland.. oh..look at him over there, he isnt from this parish, he must be up to no good, ooh hes got long hair, drugs mary, drugs i tell you, if he aint selling he is buying " fuck that shit up altogether. enjoy it, feel proud that the event is on your doorstep! think how the georgian team feels, think how Nodar Kumaritashvili's family is feeling, get some perspective. sorry to piss on your more than likely valid soapbox but whine whine whine whine....... etc, repeat to fade!

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Originally Posted by PAULYBEE2656

Yeah!

I'm quite indifferent. Chicago was a contender for the 2016 Olympics. I think it would be a pretty cool experience...but I can see it getting annoying REALLY! quickly.

if this was an art event would you think differently?

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Originally Posted by jon boy

hi,

i live in vancouver these days, the city is hosting an olympics if you didnt know. ok so its pretty much extremely unpopular with just about all who live here as the massive amount of restrictions that have been put in place on where you can and cant go, what are not allowed to wear (anything remotely anti olympics puts you in the back of a police car) plus the travel chaos that is being caused. a one hour wait just to get onto a train or bus is about normal and all this in a city with a major homeless population that is being pushed (literally) out of site and a poverty gap that gets bigger by the day, poorly functioning transport system, translink that has 28 CEO's all earning well over the standard amount for people in their position, a budget of $2bn dollars for homeless projects of which less than 1% has been used and given that they have had many many years preparation there are virtually no shelters for anyone yet the olympic village (which is supposed to be turned into affordable social housing afterwards and now is going to be luxury condo's instead) is millions over budget paid for by tax payers, VANOC basically making political requests as they see fit and getting them and also creating policy including pissing off the ambulance workers on strike over poor pay, the fact that so many streets are going to be closed to the public and when i live less than six blocks from the olympic village it means a commute of 25 minutes is now going to be 2 hours, passing through many security screens and closed off to the public areas even though we live here, the corporate sponsorship involved and the general feeling that the city is no way near ready, the 200,000 extra people that are going to be crammed into a very small space. all this plus the fact that its very warm here, the average temperature is +12 which means that must of the snow has melted, what you will see on your tv has actually been shipped in from other areas as basically its warm and raining. on the ground it basically feels like a poorly planned money making shit storm. the budget for this whole thing is mind blowing and i just wish that they could have spent the money on something else but as is most common with these kind of deals, things only change when the eyes of the world are upon you.

as a sporting event i think its fine but they should have it somewhere with snow that is able to cope with the whole thing.

i know the usual posters will post the usual thing but there you go. rant over.

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Originally Posted by terminal pharmacy

if this was an art event would you think differently?

um yep.

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Originally Posted by terminal pharmacy

why

i would feel the same about any event causing as much disruption and etc. i just think its funny that there would be an art event that would be as big which is why i said yes.

well if you were in edinburgh it would be comparable, the populace nearly triples.

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Originally Posted by jon boy

i would feel the same about any event causing as much disruption and etc. i just think its funny that there would be an art event that would be as big which is why i said yes.

It's hard to find a beer for less then $7, plus an automatic 17% gratuity.

I wasn't particularly excited about the games, for this reason and others, but I've found myself actually really enjoying everything.

The protesters are contradicting their own point by starting riots that end up causing the city to waste even more money on cleaning up after their mess.

In my opinion, that isn't a good way to promote a cause, since most people won't take it seriously.

I haven't seen or heard anything about authorities not allowing people to boast anti-Olympic anything, like clothing, as long as they are behaving. They even allowed people to protest outside the opening ceremonies, because it wasn't violent.

holy shit, floozie has risen from the dead!

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Originally Posted by terminal pharmacy

well if you were in edinburgh it would be comparable, the populace nearly triples.

hhmmm i somehow think its different.

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Originally Posted by jon boy

hhmmm i somehow think its different.

comparable per capita

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Originally Posted by terminal pharmacy

comparable per capita

yes but the differences between the Edinburgh and Vancouver are quite big.

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Originally Posted by jon boy

yes but the differences between the Edinburgh and Vancouver are quite big.

yeah accent for one

cider consumption another

Edinburgh and Vancouver can't compare on a very fundamental level in so far as Edinburgh's festival is an ongoing and regular event which the city can invest in and incorporate into its infrastructure, longterm. A one off event like the Olympics can't do that. As I think Glice mentions though, I'm sure these big one off mega events like the Olympics must generate some fairly massive profits. Politicians don't tend to fight for altrusitic causes, after all.

needs investment.

does not need investment.

i am enjoying some of the events, i like those.

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!

holy shit, floozie has risen from the dead!

Hi! But, I'm always lurking in the trees nearby..

anyone see the womens downhill. one of the best live sporting events ive ever witnessed!

i am digging some of the events a lot:

Speaking of Russians, we've BEATEN THEIR ASSES IN ICE HOCKEY today!!!

VANCOUVER – Perhaps somebody forgot to inform the Slovaks that they had drawn the short straw in this 2010 Olympic hockey tournament. Or maybe they figured, having confounded the skeptics and the schedule-maker four years ago by going undefeated in pool play in Torino, they simply were being perfectly set up to shock the hockey world yet again.

Whatever the case, the little country that supposedly couldn’t somehow found a way Thursday night at Canada Hockey Place. It took a third-period comeback. And it took seven rounds of a shootout -- three of which saw Alex Ovechkin shoot against them.

But at the end of a second straight long, withering night, it was the Slovaks who were still standing -- 2-1 victors over the powerhouse from Russia. And now, a talent-laden Group B that seemingly was set up for a Russia-Czech Republic showdown to decide first place on Rivalry Sunday is suddenly a three-horse race in which nobody can be ruled out.

"We still have a pretty good chance to be No. 1 in our group," Ovechkin said after a game in which he was a bodychecking dynamo but held off the scoresheet other than going 1-for-3 in his shootout attempts.

Ovechkin is correct -- a Russian victory in regulation Sunday would give it the Group B title regardless of the results of the Czech-Latvia game Friday night or the Slovakia-Latvia game Saturday. However, whatever veneer of invincibility the Russians brought into this tournament is now gone.

Then again, so is the notion that the Slovaks were doomed by coming in with a banged-up Marian Gaborik and Marian Hossa and having to open the tournament by playing back-to-back games against the Czech Republic and Russia.

"It’s a huge win for us," said Slovakia captain Zdeno Chara, who waged a night-long physical war with Ovechkin. "It’s a tough schedule. When you play back to back against such great teams as the Czechs and Russia, it’s always exhausting. You’re playing within 24 hours in really hot conditions. The ice is probably not the greatest because there have been two or three games going on it. So it’s tough.

"But we found a way to win a game."

They found a way by riding superb goaltending from the Montreal Canadiens’ Jaroslav Halak, who stopped 36 of 37 Russian shots during the 60 minutes of regulation and the five of overtime, and then six of the seven he faced in the shootout from the likes of Ovechkin, Ilya Kovalchuk and Evgeni Malkin.

Ovechkin, in fact, shot three times -- scoring on his first -- because IIHF rules allow the same shooter to go as often as the coach desires after the first three shooters have taken their turns.

"It was crazy because, in NHL, they can only go once and here they keep going with same guy after the first three shooters," Halak said. "It was crazy to see. But lucky for us, we got the (victory)."

GAME SUMMARY

SCORING
SVK 0 0 1 0 1 - 2
RUS 0 1 0 0 0 - 1

First Period

No scoring

Penalties - Bench, Rus (too many players - served by Marcel Hossa) 1:34, Radulov RUS (tripping) 17:34.

Second Period

1. RUS, Morozov (Markov, Zinoviev)

Penalties - Kopecky SVK (hooking) 3:20, Visnovsky SVK (cross checking) 13:59, Bench RUS (too many men served by M Hossa) 18:44, Ovechkin RUS(slashing) 19:58.

Third Period

2. SVK, Marian Hossa (Demitra, Marcel Hossa) 9:48

Penalties - Tyutin RUS (hooking) :15, Radivojevic SVK (hooking) 11:22.

Overtime

No scoring

Penalties - none

Game Winning Shots

SVK, Stumpel on Bryzgalov - Goal
RUS, Morozov on Halak - Save
SVK, Demitra on Bryzgalov - Save
RUS, Ovechkin on Halak - Goal
SVK, Marian Hossa on Bryzgalov - Save
RUS, Datsyuk on Halak - Save
RUS, Ovechkin on Bryzgalov - Save
SVK, Stumpel on Halak - Save
RUS, Kovalchuk on Halak - Save
SVK, Handzus on Bryzgalov - Save
RUS, Ovechkin on Halak - Save
SVK, Gaborik on Bryzgalov - Save
RUS, Malkin on Halak - Save
SVK, Demitra on Bryzgalov - Goal

SHOTS ON GOAL
SVK 10 5 14 3 - 33
RUS 8 16 10 3 - 37

Goaltenders (goals-shots against) - SVK: Halak (W, 1-36); RUS: Bryzgalov (L, 2-33).

Power plays (goals-chances) - SVK: 0-3; RUS: 0-5.

http://www.aol.com.au/news/story/Slo...513/index.html

Just watched Amy Williams get Gold in the womens skeleton. Heart in the mouth stuff. Amazing stuff.

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Originally Posted by demonrail666

Just watched Amy Williams get Gold in the womens skeleton. Heart in the mouth stuff. Amazing stuff.

yes that was good!

it was amazing. the 2 man bob was pretty excellent too. i fear for the 4 man event, it could turn out to be a crashfest. that course is absolutely mental. on average 20mph faster than any other course in the world! they reckon the 4 man bob could hit 140 mph around that labyrinth / gold run corners.

what's their problem. why can't they just walk down the hill with some friends, enjoying the scenic view and the good company? why do they have to be such dicks about it? in fact why not just don't go up the hill in the first place and do something better with your time?

yeah they are real. and they have some sort of problem with hills and can't go down them right. maybe that's why their race isn't prospering because they can't go down hills properly and have to make some big deal of it.

Could American sports fans please stop chanting "U-S-A"? It really is very annoying indeed - as much I'm sure for a majority of Americans as it is for the rest of the world. I get the feeling that if I lived in the US I'd hate sport.

I think that curling might be THE most ridiculous sport known to man; however, the danish female team makes me feel funny in the pants. :o

hats off to you, good sir.

and by hats, I mean pants.

I remember when the last winter olympics was on. There was a particular moment when I'd watched about 4 hours of curling where I though 'I really should get a job'.

I watched some skiing yesterday. Unfortunately, our telly's on the fritz so I've not watched much action.

curlings a good sport, it's so ridiculous you don't have to care when you lose.

however, as i learned the hard way..if someone hasn't heard of curling don't explain it to them, they'll think you're making fun of them

Miller in goal gives the U.S. a legitimate shot against the insanity of Ovechkin (my boy) and Malkin.

We're in semifinals !!!!!
(now wait ... we're gonna play against Canada)

Slovaks beat defending champion Sweden 4-3; Canada next

VANCOUVER (AP) — Slovakia knocked defending Olympic champion Sweden out of the men's hockey tournament Wednesday night with a 4-3 victory in the quarterfinals.
Marian Gaborik, Andrej Sekera, Pavol Demitra and Tomas Kopecky scored for the Slovaks, whose superior team speed kept the slower Swedes at bay.
Sweden's Nicklas Lidstrom, who scored the winning goal in the championship game at the Torino Olympics, had his last shot stopped by Jaroslav Halak as time expired.

SUMMARY: Slovakia 4, Sweden 3

The Slovaks will play Canada on Friday night in the semifinals for a spot in the gold-medal game.

Sweden's Henrik Lundqvist, who had not allowed a goal before his game, let three consecutive pucks get past him in the second period. He finished with just 10 saves.
Halak made 26 saves for Slovakia.
Gaborik and Sekera broke open a scoreless game by scoring in a 37-second span midway through the second period, but the Swedes responded with their own pair of goals, also in a 37-second span, from Patric Hornqvist and Henrik Zetterberg.
Demitra then scored the goal late in the second period that gave Slovakia the lead for good, slapping a shot that Lundqvist didn't see because the goalie's view was obstructed. Kopecky made the score 4-2 by scoring off a rebound in the third period.
Daniel Alfredsson scored 38 seconds later to pull Sweden within a goal, but the Swedes fell short with an aging team that welcomed back 13 players from the 2006 Olympics. The game marked the end of an era for Sweden, which won't have Lidstrom or Peter Forsberg or coach Bengt-Ake Gustafsson back for the Sochi Games in four years.

It was so great to see Vancouverites not be cold and grumpy and distant today. So it takes a few beers before noon and the title of masters of the olympic universe, so what?