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hey blaster
I have heard allusions to beck TRYING to work verbal magic a la Dylan, but I have never ever read or heard anyone say he compares in terms of musical output, quality, influence, etc. again, I stated I do not liek Beck. I find his sound old and tired with bleep bleep noises and some wack wack WACK DJ scratchin' just a personal opinion. the lenny comparison is apt to a point though, both adapt old sounds, old styles, but the difference lies in that lenny is a traditionalist and really seeks to imitate while beck is a progressive and seeks to add new things to the amalgasm of influences he draws from. |
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Best post ever, context considered. |
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beck ripped off ween's "pure guava". EVERYBODY who was listening to ween and beck during that time knows this to be the truth. Too bad you missed out! |
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"GOLDEN FEELINGS" release: 1993 "PURE GUAVA" release: 1992 |
"Golden Feelings" release: 1993
"The Pod" release: 1991(recorded in 1990) want more proof? had enough, ass? |
Nice to see the Art Blakey shoutout Rob....that's what I'm talking about.
Oh and....  Come on, this shit can go around in circles forever. Just because there are similarities between albums doesn't mean that one sat down and ripped off a record. |
I did not know there was a new Beck album in process. That's good news.
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Can't be proven, but it was me and a whole lot of people's thoughts when we all heard "Mellow Gold" for the first time. |
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love the pure guava...oh so pure the pod is sweet too /././ the beck man-boy is hit-&-miss maybe's he's more of an artist than a musician at heart he makes good stuff, but he didn't enjoy that sustained of an artistic summit really...if you know what i mean, er...ah...somethin' somethin g |
Beck for the most part is really good. I think he often writes really funny lyrics, AND makes great music. Anything he does I'm up for listening. Midnight Vultures is one of my absoulute favorites albums, and my favorite from him. The only one I had a tough time getting into was Mutations. Was very repeative. Every artist has influnces, but no, I don't see Beck as ripping off anyone. Sure you can compare him to similar artists like Ween or The Flaming Lips, doesn't mean he's ripping them off.
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oh...what did I miss about Art Blakey?
http://www.duke.edu/~aks2/jazz/dis.htm I was listening to a version with Thelonious today of "In Walked bud" that blew my mind. & then I listen to The Ultimate Bud Powell & heard "Fantasy in Blue"...musical ecstasy/../ Personally, I do think Mellow Gold, Beck's best major release, is better than Pure Guava though...but it's not such a disparity of quality that I would ever insist on debating over it. |
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ultimately though... isn't the "funny" thing just a self-defense mechanism due to insecurity? I swear I love the promotional pre-dgc beck recording...it's genuinely hilarious & musical & shows a great degree of promise of blossoming talent, but to always fall back on the humor thing is a pitfall. Frank Zappa was a great composer, but for lack of better lyrics, he is another victim of the same sort of predispostion. Many, many artists try to be funny & yet also sublime at the same time ala the rare acheivement of greats like John Lennon & Bob Dylan, & in the end, fail miserably. |
glad you can appreciate horns, arrangement & production, AssBlaster.
Yeah, Midnite Vultures is great Beck...& better than Odelay. |
my phrasin was off then
the arrangements & prodcution are what make it like a pomo bowie record almost (in that regard...& there you have yr ween comparison in a germ) ../>in the final analysis, the horns are just there as flourish to pay testimony to the strength of the compostions...it's no Bird, Trane, Freddie, Miles, Warne...it's no Savoy Truffle even...God no...but it's cool/./. |
Reminds me of the Beck v. Bjork v. Bach Celebrity Deathmatch.
"Midnight Vultures was such a weird album." |
Scarecrow from Guero has the touch of His Royal Badness.
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"The Pod" was recorded in 1990, a year before Beck even recorded anything. |
I think Guero is a really good album, it's more consistent than say Mellowgold. Mellowgold would have some of my favourite songs on it, but it's not as consistent as other Beck albums. It's tough to pick a favourite Beck album for me.
As for his lyrics, I don't necessarly find them funny. Sure they're witty, and some lines can make you smirk, but to call them funny is to call them stupid, and they're anything but stupid. He writes great abstract lyrics from a stream of consciousness. His music (lyrics included) are always interesting, which is few and far between when it comes to musicians and artists in general, these days. |
uhmmm i am a HUGE ween fan
a little more than beck i dont think mellow gold sounds like pure guava at all sure there are some SMALL similarities but one could say the same thing about many other artists so uhh yeah i dont know what you all are talking about beck isnt ripping off ween |
thanks for that refinement...instead of "funny"---rather than "humor", in lieu of "silly",
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this khchris person needs to stop typing in huge font, tis gettin on my nerves
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I don't see humor as a tool primarily used to mask weaknesses or insecurities. Often, humor resonates with me more than observations delivered in a serious tone. Both can be insightful, but only one has ever induced pants-wetting.
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comedy & tragedy comma baby
interlinked oh yeah woo hooo do I have to bother with a (yet another) clarification?> Hell no! thanks for the inPUT PANCHO villA Wanted : DEAd or ALive 2 A the PM Q 'dat is |
beck's song "today has been a fucked up day" is almost the same as woody guthrie's "today has been a lonesome day"
but i really dont give a damn. he's payin a great tribute to woody |
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this painting is like the macho version of girl before a mirror & motherwell, well, he was a picasso fan, so, i rest my case --- finding nobody, he dug up woody & leadbelly a good deal...i think that, like bob, beck learned from woody first...i took the robert route |
in my opinion Leadbelly>Woody
as far as sound anyway. i cant really who was more historically important. but leadbelly is one of my all time favorites. |
Can't we all agree that we're all ripping off cavemen, vikings, and microrganisms. They'll show us all up one day
ANd yes.... guero was aight, hope the new one's tight Now I wanna listen to pure guavav now. |
interesting. beck doesn't rip off ween (even though most thought so at the time), but you guys make the stretch of "U2 RIPPING OFF 'DIRTY BOOTS'"?
um, okay. I think i've heard it all now. |
Well I never said that and never got it either.
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i think all the U2 bashing is bullshit. not everyone here thinks that u2 stole dirty boots.. well, two of us at least
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HAHA, I never heard that before. I don't think that would happen.
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The songwriter who cried wolf one time too many.
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It uses the same chords. |
You conceded!
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You like turquoise? I like pink. Ween sound like a U2 and a Journey rip off. As you can see, Journey record their first album exactly 3 hours before Pure Guava. Ween liked it so much they decided to rip it off ASAP. If you were around at that time, you would no. I grew up next to Beck and he told me how much he liked Journey. Ween ripped off Journey. I was alive then, and so were other people who think the same thing. next. |
Sad.
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Wow what a grudge match.
Did you know that it wasnt Michael Gondry but Eye of the Boredoms who designed Midnite Vultures cover art, go on check your inlay fact fans. The only Ween Ive ever heard sounded exactly like The Beatles. But i read somewhere Ween are basically Frank Zappa copyists. |
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Haha, best post of the conversation. |
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