Atsonicpark why this topic? Are you looking for a hitman?
HaydenAsche if what you say is the truth and how lightly you take it I can never respect you. Yes I know people who have od been killed in accident, and accidently shot but the worst is a close friend who stabbed his ex-wife to death. He's doing life with no chance of parole.

Apart from the illegality, is it that much different to the fact that I sold beer to someone who died drink-driving?

This one time at band camp ...

selling drugs/alcohol to someone who ends up dying from what you sold them isn't really your fault i guess. they would have got it off someone else. unless you're lying to them about the potency or get it confused with something else, causing them to accidently take 270mg of 2C-I

but if you ask me my friend... follow this advice:

That's the lamest type of excuse people give themselves so they can feel better. It doesn't change anything.

I've known a few killers but never closely. Mostly in the '80s and mostly in Bellingham, WA for some reason. I sold acid then and there to Billy Milligan (google him, I'm sure he'll come up quickly) who was using the name Chris Carr at the time. He was never convicted of killing anyone, just rape, but a drifter in the same building he was living in disappeared and was never found. The FBI showed up soon thereafter and started asking my friends who also lived in the same building all sorts of questions. There were two other murders that same couple years ('86-87) in B'ham that involved people I knew, one done by this punk rock kid, the other a bad coke deal that took out a deadhead guy I sometimes bought weed from.

lame or not, it's true more often than not.

i'm guessing you're against drugs

hey, I told you..


you ran your mouth and pulled your own covers here in the SYG, what reaction did you expect people to have? besides.. you should be more careful...

So, how do you delete threads?

You set up a little Paypal deal with chabib.

I think I made this thread while feeling.. not that I was going to kill someone.. but I started this thread, along with many other.. erm.. "dark" threads... while going through some dark shit. I'm not embarassed or ashamed, I just don't think I would start that topic in my current, MEDICATED mindset.

You couldn't be more wrong. I just try to be objective and I see a lot of people making up excuses so they don't feel bad about doing horrible things. Instead of coming to terms with the evil inside of them, they excuse their actions, they never grow up, and it fucking makes me sick. It's like the the corporate lawyers or the Nazis. It was just a paycheck! They need to feed their families... and buy expensive cars and nice shoes and more plastic shit to fill up the landfills.

i swear allegiance to the pope! please don't inquisit me!

Drugs don't kill people... people kill people.

I would feel guilty selling drugs to someone who died from it, but at the same time, I didn't force them to overdose on it or something.

exactly. if you're doing hard drugs with potential of an OD, you should know your doses

i've had a lot of thoughts/daydreams about killing people recently, it disturbs me greatly. although i don't think i know anyone who killed anybody, except maybe some soldiers/ex-soldiers.

So, what about selling drugs to people who are already high or drunk? I can't remember if you're the guy who this actually happened to, but if so, have you? And if not, what do you think about that?

You know, everything/anything can kill everyone/anyone. Obviously, and it probably seems like a silly point to make, but if I buy someone a hamburger and they choke on it -- is it my fault? As ridiculous as that sounds, we all recognize hamburgers as having the potentiality to choke people to death, and if people are unhealthy... well, yeah. Should I not sell 'em that? Should guns not be sold? Is it a doctor's fault if a person OD's on their medication? Etc., etc., etc., etc. In some way, we all probably contribute to someone else's death. "hEY JOHNNY LET'S GO OUT IN THE SUN AND CATCH SOME RAYS AT THE BEACH!" Oh fuck, now he has skin cancer! What the hell?! I'm just kidding and being ridiculous here, but seriously... those people were going to go out of their way to get the drugs either way, so...... yeah. As long as you didn't knowingly give 'em poison or something, I don't see how you could be held accountable for what they do. People know their limits. Other people know their limits better than I know their limits.

I would feel bad, as I said earlier, and I certainly learn from my mistakes, personally. I used to do methadone and me and my friend would do it together. Someone I was close to died of an OD on that shit so I swore it off forever...

...As for selling stuff to someone who is already drunk or high -- most people in this town are drunk, high, pilled-out, etc. 24/7 so I don't even know how to answer that.

depends what they are fucked up on
drunk people tend to be overconfident with drugs, forgetting that just because they are drunk doesn't mean that a high dose won't harm them. i'd sell a drunk person weed or lucy (for the lols) but not coke or anything hard.

Besides the people know their limits thing, that's a good point. But I was looking at it from the perspective that the drugs were cut wrong, laced, too powerful or whatever. If they just took too much or any other stupid thing, then I don't think that what any of the things I said apply.


:confused:

are you a lawyer?

are you studying law?


liability insurance exists because people kept asking these questions.


personally I am a believer in 'if you knew it had the possibility to hurt you, and you did it anyway and got hurt, it is YOUR fault'
different story if you were doing/eating/taking something that was not supposed to be able to hurt you.

The whole issue with people dying from random drug OD exists because there is no duty of care with random suppliers like there is with GP'ers. If you're buying it off the street, buyer beware. That's it. imho.

I'd never do hard drugs, anyway, so I'd never contributed to anyone else doing hard drugs...

But, having said that, even something like weed has killed people, indirectly (you know, driving while you're stoned or something).

Everything is bad for you. Even vitamins!

Haha... ha... *checks cabinets*

Hilarious face is hilarious.

....Half the people in this town are methed-out. Ugh. I hate it. Fuck anyone that does meth. Well, I take that back, you're fucking yourself up by doing it. Have fun!

yeah it's just a shame when people have to pay the price of other people being on meth.

people don't kill people.

people with mustaches kill people

I just took the nastiest fucking dump, I think it nearly killed me.

Yeah, when they're sober that applies, but when they aren't, it's a whole different ball game.

:D I actually laughed and for some reason I sounded like a girl

Hahaha.

Wanna go out?

they've made the choice to not be sober though.

Are you saying that anything someone does while drunk, is not their fault?

No fucking way, but you can't absolve yourself of responsibility if you know they're drunk. If you give a drunk asshole his car keys and he drags a grandma and her 5 grandkids 20 miles, you share some responsibility because you knew that they didn't understand responsibility at the time.


Hehe, I dunno dude.

infinitemusic:
it all depends on circumstance

I did at one point. However, just because someone sold me valium does not mean they had anything to do with me overdosing. I don't blame anyone else for my drug problems. Besides, those patches were faulty by the manufacturer.

I may say it lightly, but that doesn't mean I don't feel something for them. I didn't know these girls or their families. However, living a young life filled with poor decisions tends to leave a certain dimmer on how upset I get concerning death. I've had numerous friends and family die by the pib, whether it be from overdose, suicide, accidents, or meth related stabbings/shootings.

I guess I've become adjusted.

it's not like you would have sold it if you had known it was going to kill them...
i don't think anyone would do that.

I know people who have talked about doing things like that but I would never. Even when I was selling fentanyl, I was telling them "Hey, this is not vicodin. This is the bee's knees but it'll kill you. Take it easy." I would never sell someone chemicals I thought they couldn't handle.

Mmm fentanyl.