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!@#$%! 10.28.2007 03:37 PM

also, soy has phytoestrogens which in excess will fuck up your hormones.

atari 2600 10.28.2007 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Disgruntled Youth
...I'm scared silly over here what's a guy to do:confused:


I never said I wanted to fight. That was you.

atari 2600 10.28.2007 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
also, soy has phytoestrogens which in excess will fuck up your hormones.


I think this guy knows more about foods and food chemicals and body-food chemical reactions than anyone I've ever run across. That last post is just yet another example.

Disgruntled Youth 10.28.2007 03:52 PM

This shit is pointless, done!

atari 2600 10.28.2007 03:53 PM

Absolutely pointless indeed.

Anngella 10.28.2007 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
about the colon cancer nonsense, let me just say, that's why meat is traditionally eaten with pepper, mustard, horse radish, etc-- the spicy condiments speed up their transit on the digestive system.

also that's why you always finish a meal with a nice salad (yeah i don't eat the salad upfront). the fiber brushes out all the meat detritus.

it's also why people should meat in moderation, and not in excess (meat on meat with a side of meat).

and finally, that's also why it's such a stupid custom to drink a bucket of iced water right before a meal. that only slows down your stomach & dissolves the stomach acids that are supposed to digest your food.

i mean a steady diet of bigmacs will fuck up any colon, but a balanced diet will feed you & keep your guts healthy as well.

just ask the french.

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ps i got you a "yahoo answers" link on the goodness of deer meat:

http://nz.answers.yahoo.com/question...9172140AAzVBZ1

Ah yes I understand that. And I don't really believe that meat is something that's horrible for you. The reason I don't eat it isn't really because I'm afraid of getting cancer and whatnot, I just don't find dead animal to be appetizing, and I don't like the way the animals are treated before they're killed/how they're killed. I'd rather get my protein etc. from other sources. I was more or less trying to show that it's true about it being able to affect (effect? gah.) your digestive tract in a bad way if you eat too much of it.

Anngella 10.28.2007 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
also, soy has phytoestrogens which in excess will fuck up your hormones.

Which is why I think everything can be good in moderation.

Well, it's not why I think that. But I think that. Yeah.. awkward post.

!@#$%! 10.28.2007 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Anngella
Ah yes I understand that. And I don't really believe that meat is something that's horrible for you. The reason I don't eat it isn't really because I'm afraid of getting cancer and whatnot, I just don't find dead animal to be appetizing, and I don't like the way the animals are treated before they're killed/how they're killed. I'd rather get my protein etc. from other sources. I was more or less trying to show that it's true about it being able to affect (effect? gah.) your digestive tract in a bad way if you eat too much of it.


ha ha yeah.

beans are good too but you know what happens if you eat too many :D

Anngella 10.28.2007 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
ha ha yeah.

beans are good too but you know what happens if you eat too many :D

FLATULENCE! My flatuses are fucking rancid.

!@#$%! 10.28.2007 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Anngella
FLATULENCE! My flatuses are fucking rancid.


yeah, besides shooing away any potential mates, check this shit out:

http://www.medopedia.com/undercooked-red-beans-rice

tasty!

Anngella 10.28.2007 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
yeah, besides shooing away any potential mates, check this shit out:

http://www.medopedia.com/undercooked-red-beans-rice

tasty!

That's so interesting. But I'm more of a nut gal, myeslf.

!@#$%! 10.28.2007 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Anngella
That's so interesting. But I'm more of a nut gal, myeslf.


here's some paranoia for your puppies

http://www.petalia.com.au/templates/...ry_no=257#ct-5

on top of that:
http://health.msn.com/centers/allerg...ntid=100144470

humans are not supposed to eat nuts! eat meat only! :D

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(basically, there's an argument for or against anything)

Anngella 10.28.2007 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
here's some paranoia for your puppies

http://www.petalia.com.au/templates/...ry_no=257#ct-5

on to po fo that:
http://health.msn.com/centers/allerg...ntid=100144470

humans are not supposed to eat nuts! eat meat only! :D

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(basically, there's an argument for or against anything)

Och, we give my dog peanuts all the time. But only one or two at the most. And popcorn. He's too cute to not give him something when he begs. But I'll try not to more.

Cardinal Rob 10.28.2007 06:09 PM

Synth- you're in luck, a pretty bitchin' book has just been released:
http://www.theppk.com/nomicon.html
It's vegan, but still no more worse for you or restrictive at all than having a cookbook that specialises in Italian or whatev.


My friend mentioned this t'other day, if it's on .com then why not give it a try? 576 pages seems pretty happening:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Leiths-Veget...3314592&sr=1-1

!@#$%! 10.28.2007 06:12 PM

Everything Is Bad For You

Just Stop Eating

Anngella 10.28.2007 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
Everything Is Bad For You

Just Stop Eating

EAT
MY
GENITALS


m1rr0r dash 10.28.2007 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
Everything Is Bad For You

Just Stop Eating


if you stop eating, you'll live forever...

http://www.calorierestriction.org/

The Calorie Restriction Society
for people trying to live longer by eating fewer calories

!@#$%! 10.28.2007 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Anngella
EAT
MY
GENITALS



sorry sister, but i don't do minors.

call me when you graduate from college, or something?

Quote:

Originally Posted by m1rr0r dash
if you stop eating, you'll live forever...

http://www.calorierestriction.org/

The Calorie Restriction Society
for people trying to live longer by eating fewer calories


ha ha ha, what fucked unbearable life is that! hungry all the time? i'd be driven to suicide.

Anngella 10.28.2007 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
sorry sister, but i don't do minors.

call me when you graduate from college, or something?

I don't do floppy old men, so it works out.
I'll call when my vagina starts sagging.

!@#$%! 10.28.2007 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Anngella
I don't do floppy old men, so it works out.
I'll call when my vagina starts sagging.

you gotta do your kegels when you're old, jailbait

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but in the meantime, tone it down, or your internet posts might get you grounded

Anngella 10.28.2007 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
you gotta do your kegels when you're old, jailbait

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but in the meantime, tone it down, or your internet posts might get you grounded

You would know that, oldie.

My plan is to bait as many guys as I can and then invite them to my house and have them arrested when they show up naked in my garage with a 12 pack of beer just like that To Catch A Predator show. It'll be epic.

!@#$%! 10.28.2007 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Anngella
You would know that, oldie.

My plan is to bait as many guys as I can and then invite them to my house and have them arrested when they show up naked in my garage with a 12 pack of beer just like that To Catch A Predator show. It'll be epic.


whatever. i'm calling your parents. :p

Anngella 10.28.2007 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
whatever. i'm calling your parents. :p

Just wait until I start bleeding again..

SynthethicalY 10.28.2007 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Anngella
From the sounds of it I don't think he's planning on becoming a full-blown veggie. I think he just figured that the veggies would have meatless recipes for him.



Exactly, I do not intend on being a vegeterian. I just want something that is out of the monotony of regular meat diet.

Norma J 10.28.2007 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Onani Nic
The reason I don't eat red meat is because cattle farming causes more environmental damage than any other industry.

Link to UN report: http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.as...r1=environment

Also it's debatable whether eating red meat is good for you or not, while a friend was at the doctors she was told that red meat is terrible for your digestive system. Something about it rotting inside as it cant be digested properly (I might be off the mark on this one).


Yes. Meat rots in your colon for approx 14 days.

!@#$%! 10.28.2007 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Norma J
Yes. Meat rots in your colon for approx 14 days.


pfffffttttttttlolllerzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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where did you go to school?

Norma J 10.28.2007 10:56 PM

Denial, @$#%^. Denial.

I just had some great vegan Krishna food for lunch at my favourite cafe/restaurant in town.
It's all you can eat - hence I'm full as a muddafucker.

!@#$%! 10.28.2007 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Norma J
Denial, @$#%^. Denial.

I just had some great vegan Krishna food for lunch at my favourite cafe/restaurant in town.


yeah and i had hummus for dinner, delicious.

but where the fuck do you get these crackpot ideas? i mean-- does that sound even remotely believable to you? rot in your colon for 14 days??

girlgun 10.28.2007 11:02 PM

mmmmm hummus.

fucking hell, i'm hungry.

pbradley 10.28.2007 11:07 PM

I'm eating chicken as I read this thread.

IT WILL BE IN ME FOR 14 DAYS!

Savage Clone 10.28.2007 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by girlgun
mmmmm hummus.

fucking hell, i'm hungry.



I could live on that stuff.

girlgun 10.28.2007 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by pbradley
I'm eating chicken as I read this thread.

IT WILL BE IN ME FOR 14 DAYS!



absolutely. it's a good thing everything else can slide right around the rotting meat or you'd sure get backed up!

girlgun 10.28.2007 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Savage Clone
I could live on that stuff.


meeee tooooo.

it's just not so good for the breath.

atari 2600 10.28.2007 11:11 PM

I think people get that idea from (a) the urban legends about John Wayne's or Elvis' colons having tons of red meat in them when they died, and/or (b) the dialogue between the detectives in Beverly Hills Cop in that one scene. Red meat (a heavy food) does take longer to digest than many foods (3-5 hours or so), but no longer than whole milk or cheese.

Savage Clone 10.28.2007 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by girlgun
meeee tooooo.

it's just not so good for the breath.


That's why I don't eat it more.
Plus, garlic also makes me feel super-dehydrated.

Norma J 10.28.2007 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
yeah and i had hummus for dinner, delicious.

but where the fuck do you get these crackpot ideas? i mean-- does that sound even remotely believable to you? rot in your colon for 14 days??


It was krishna food, no hummus involved.

http://www.goveg.com/feat/rotting.html
Beef: It's What's Rotting In Your Colon
Colon cancer is a deadly disease that's on the rise-and evidence
indicates that it's caused by beef, chicken, milk, and other animal
foods.
Colon cancer is the fourth most common cancer and the second-largest
cause of cancer death in the U.S. About 98,200 new cases of colon cancer
will be diagnosed in 2001, and colon cancer is expected to be
responsible for approximately 48,000 deaths in the U.S. this year alone.
The greatest incidence of colon cancer occurs primarily in the developed
world where the consumption of meat, eggs, and dairy products is high.
A 1999 study, published in the American Journal of Gastroenterology,
investigated the rarity of colon cancer in black Africans. The authors
concluded that the low prevalence of colon cancer in this population is
related to the absence of animal protein and fat.
The average American faces a 6 percent lifetime risk of colon cancer,
according to the Harvard Center for Cancer Prevention. The American
Cancer Society (ACS), discussing all cancer, points out that "about
one-third of the 500,000 cancer deaths that occur in the United States
each year is due to dietary factors ... Although the committee
recognizes that no diet can guarantee full protection against any
disease, we believe that our recommendations offer the best nutrition
information currently available to help Americans reduce their risk of
cancer." The society's top two recommendations are: "1. Choose most of
the foods you eat from plant sources," and "2. Limit your intake of
high-fat foods, particularly from animal sources."
The ACS takes such a strong stand because numerous studies over many
years link meat and dairy products to the development of a variety of
cancers. Discussing colon cancer specifically, the National Cancer
Institute upon examination of the body of evidence, says that
"colorectal cancer seems to be associated with diets that are high in
fat and calories and low in fiber" and that "eating vegetables and
fruits is associated with a decreased risk of cancers of the ... colon
[and] rectum ..." Remember that meat and dairy products have absolutely
no fiber at all, and even lean meats and "low fat" dairy products are
packed with fat and cholesterol, relative to fruits, vegetables, and
grains. And the ACS Web site states that "a diet mostly from animal
sources" is a risk factor for colorectal (colon and rectal) cancer. As a
result, the ACS "recommends choosing most of your foods from plant
sources and limiting intake of high-fat foods such as those from animal
sources."
Numerous studies have linked meat, eggs, and dairy products to the
development of colon cancer. The following sample of studies shows the
correlation:
Upon reviewing an array of studies discussing the link between diet and
colon cancer, scientists from the Bremen Institute for Prevention,
Research, and Social Medicine and the German Cancer Research Center
stated in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition that "the
relationship between a vegetarian and fiber-rich diet and a decreased
risk for colon cancer has been reported in many studies."
A review of population studies published in 1996 in the prestigious
Italian medical journal Annali dell'Istituto Superiore di Sanita found
that meat and other animal fats are among the most consistent risk
factors for colon cancer and that vegetarian diets reduce the risk of
colon cancer.
A population study conducted by the Harvard Medical School and Harvard
School of Public Health found that "animal fat was positively associated
with the risk of colon cancer." The authors also reported that in
another large-scale clinical study, women who consumed beef, lamb, or
pork as a main dish at least once a day were more than 250 percent more
likely to be diagnosed with colon cancer than women who consumed meat as
a main dish less than once a month.
Researchers at the Center for Health Research at Loma Linda University
reported in The American Journal of Epidemiology in 1998 that colon
cancer has "a positive association with ... both red meat intake and
white meat intake."
A Swedish study published in the International Journal of Cancer states
that "results also indicate that there is an association between meat
consumption and colorectal cancer."
A 1999 study, published in the American Journal of Gastroenterology,
concluded that the low prevalence of colon cancer among black Africans
is related to the absence of animal protein and fat in their diet.
A 1990 survey and 1991 followup published in the International Journal
of Cancer found that there were increased risks for colorectal cancer
associated with consumption of meat, dairy products, and eggs.
So, before you bite into that next burger, nugget, or slice of pepperoni
pizza, consider this: Do you really want to spend your final days
suffering from the pain and agony of colon, rectal, or some other lethal
cancer? If not, grab a vegan cookbook and learn to live and let live
with the help of great, tasty, and healthful recipes that you will love
much more than that greasy box of nuggets and that slimy shake. Bon
appetit!

atari 2600 10.28.2007 11:17 PM

Um, the specific study by the Nat'l Cancer Institute about a possible link between red meat consumption and colon cancer has been proven to be faulty in that it never takes into account age, the amount of exercise, smoking habits, and other pertinent health factors about the study group involved. The particular group was studied during the eighties (forget what year) and another time in the nineties.

Obviously, if you eat red meat you will want to avoid extremely fatty varieties like cheap ground beef, because, of course, that stuff is not good for your heart or other organs.

Fast food "beef" (if it's beef at all in some cases) is laden with chemicals and sodium which are also not good for you in high dosages and actually addict your body.

val-holla-ing 10.28.2007 11:18 PM

i looked for my recipe for curry, but i can't find it. shame, because i make the best damn curry this side of the mississippi. if i come across it, i'll let you know.

Norma J 10.28.2007 11:20 PM

It's been proved to be faulty because Atari says so.

atari 2600 10.28.2007 11:22 PM

I'm sure there are articles you can find on google, boomeranger.

The study in question caused big headlines and Oprah did that whole deal and then there was a backlash afterwards with other scientists saying the study is faulty.

Who knows? I don't know for sure, but I suppose lobbies and money are involved in some way.


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