yeah as i said when they write a good song its really really good better than anything the flaming lips have ever done, but for me the flaming lips don't put bad songs on their albums and sonic youth do, they can be average, and i wonder if they put the time that the flaming lips do into their albums they wouldn't have albums like that. Its just with sonic youths 90's albums like EJST&NS i end up skipping some songs, but there are a few really really good sonic youth tracks on there like sweet shine. And with the flaming lips the album as a whole sounds great from start to finish like sonic youth's late 80's albums. and i do love Washing Machine and Murray Street but even those albums have not so great songs on them.

thats just not true!, if they said that they said it as a joke. they might not have had a musical direction but they sure as hell had creativity!

now this is where we disagree i think the flaming lips have evolved more than sonic youth have. they might not be as creative.

i picked Sonic Youth, cuz i'm not a part of a Flaming Lips forum.

I don't know if you can compare a band to Sonic Youth. In sound perhaps, but just in general....quality? I don't know. I'm not saying that SY are the best band ever, but in terms of what appeals to me, I am yet to find a more appealing band at this stage.

I can't stand the Flaming Lips.

Out of curiosity, what can't you stand?

Their music.

The Flaming Lips are ones of those bands like The Fall that everyone loves that I will not for the life of me 'get'. Although I frequently live to regret these statements like I did with Arcade Fire. In 6 months time i'll probebly be proclaiming the genius of both the Flaming Lips and The Fall from the rooftops.

You're right. They had no skill to translate the creativity into their music. Honestly, I'm suprised you haven't seen the 'Fearless Freaks' DVD, THEY go into detail about this much more. Seriously, Wayne and Michael both admitted that they lacked the skill to make the music they wanted to. So maybe I shouldn't have said creativity and should have said skill.

Yeah, but, look what happened after Drozd (the skill) came about, I mean, yeah they reinvented themselves, but they rode on Stephen's talent. Furthermore, they are inconsistent at best, At War With The Mystics embodies that statement.

Thing is, none of the original or current memebers of Sonic Youth had any formal musical training, they probably weren't light years away fromt he FL back in the early 80's as far as talent goes, but look what they did, they created something original and fresh. Sure borrowed from others but who hasn't. Throughout the whole history of the FL, it has always been an outside member (not a founding member) that has wrote most of the music such as Ronald and Stephen.

i have seen it, i have all their dvds. they weren't professional musicians, steven was, but they were creative.


thats just not true, if you have seen the fearless freaks dvd you will have seen wayne writing songs right there!, there is footage of him writing songs from the Clouds Taste Metallic album, and that was when Ronald and Steven were in the band.

all y'all can continue this debate over the Lips worth in today's music, but the fact remains that as you read this THEY are on a tour bus heading toward a packed show while YOU are reading a message board.

whether they rank amongst the top bands for the musical "elite" or not doesn't really matter.

true.

you've fought the good fight ms. skull, but you won't win it on this board.

take happiness in music YOU love without worry of what anyone thinks.

this even applies to you people that REALLY DO listen to CRAP. :D

and I bet while it was good, Warrant got more women than you or I will ever see in our lifetime. gotta give respect.

i know!!, there are people on here who don't like the Grateful Dead and Todd Rundgren! CRAZY!!!!!, i guess we will have to agree to disagree, which is kool with me.

wow you are so easily worked up.

what is it about what I said that made you feel like I was saying you couldn't have your own opinions of what does and doesn't suck? or is that just general hatred toward Warrant? (lawl)

all I'm saying is the same old "don't hate the player" routine.

*shrug*

I could honestly care less if all y'all were into listening to music made from the screams of torture victims. you're welcome to your opinion and I'm welcome to mine.

WHATEVER the case, PLEASE don't make me have to start listening to Warrant just to be contrary.

you should copywrite that before it's stolen.

©

I like them both. FL's live shows these days are much better than SY's. Theyre like a circus.

if you like hearing overproduced slick symphonic rock, then listen to the later flip albums. if you like hearing terrible guitar riffs and stupid singing listen to the flips early albums.


sonic life!!!!!!!!!!!

this conversation is over now.

the bigger the live show the more insiginificant the music.
the more "show" you have to put on the more you are covering for boring songs.
Fugazi will out rock the flips on a BAD day, with no stage lights, and no smoke and no effects.

sonic youth will out rock the flips with a one hour version of diamond sea.

shellac sounds the same live as on album BECAUSE they record LIVE, all three at once, no overdubs, no studio trickery, just quality mikes set up properly.
That is as it should be.

She doesn't even have a leg to stand on, yet she continues to do her dance.

agreed.


General Jones: Years ago, you served the Flaming Lips in the Clouds Taste Metallic; now I beg you to help them in their struggle against the Axis of Weevil.

I regret that I am unable to present my request to you in person; but my ship has fallen under attack and I'm afraid my mission to woodGate has failed. I've placed information vital to the survival of the band into the memory systems of this R2 unit. Wayne will know how to retrieve it. You must see this droid safely delivered to him on woodGate. This is our most desperate hour. Help me, Ronald-Wan Kenobi-Jones; you're my only hope.


Love,

Floatingslowly
Princess of Alderaan

 

not true when the music is as good as the flaming lips music is. it just creates and atmosphere.

and it is NOT funny to ridicule mentally retarted people. Why make fun of someone who had no choice in how they are? They did not choose to be mentally retarted. They did not choose down's syndrome or any of the myriad other birth defects that cause mental retardation.

But it IS funny to make fun of Flaming Lips fans.

woah, kegmama posted that way before i did, and i thought it was funny so i saved it, i didn't see you or anyone giving her stick for it.

so now you are calling me mentally challenged for having a different opinion to you?

Well, you're not too bright. Logic certainly has no effect.

What's wrong with "compare/contrast?"

What all this "Vs. Sonic Youth" bull?

You think you can get away with it without anyone saying anything just because you included a third poll option?

did you even read what the tread was about in my first comment?, i can't go back and change the tread title to compare and contrast and i think people would have been just as horrible even if i had done. and get away with what?, having an opinion?????

Here's my hypothetical multiple choice scenario of The Flaming Lips response if I were conducting an imaginary interview with them.
(the Lead-in)
I think you guys are the greatest.
For instance, I think you're better than Sonic Youth both live and on record.
What do you think?

(the response)
a) Wha?
b) Well, I think that both us and Sonic Youth blah blah blah
c) No way!
d) spontaneous laughter
e) some combination of the above

I was wondering when some chivalrous admonishment was coming from some screwball.

One cannot "have a discussion" when the topic statement "The Flaming Lips Vs. Sonic Youth" begs the question.

What you've presented is fodder for diatribe, not discussion.

what so i deserve to be called mentally challenged?

It takes some nerve to call a certifiable genius a "retard" and screw-up the tense of a verb while doing so.

edit: tense...nouns have cases...nobody had to tell me

bootlick

"The Flaming Lips Vs. Sonic Youth"

It also takes some nerve to start this thread at the official Sonic Youth message board and expect a "discussion."

Then, it takes some nerve to try and make someone out to be the enemy that calls you on it.

Finally, it takes some nerve to ignore the helpful suggestion that this topic would be fine for www.rateyourmusic.com, but not here phased that way. I also proffered another suggestion that the topic would be better served if it were phrased as a yin "compare & contrast" rather than the yang "Vs."

I remind you of the score. What's it up to now? It's 47-to-1 currently.

I have that happen to me all the time!!! :eek:

it's pandemic. surely you know this by now!

any band put into a "Vs. Sonic Youth" position on this board is going to get the same treatment by Sonic Youth Heads. despite the "controversive" wording of the topic, all it boils down to is Ms. Skull loving the Lips.

although the types of replies should have been expected by her, it's really no reason for the masses to bash away!

NEXT TOPIC: Wayne Vs. Thurston in a fist fight.

I choose Wayne. he's punchy.

but isn't what this place is for?, discussing music? comparing bands?
i made you out to be the enemy because you were HORRIBLE to me over and over and over again!
you know what it probably would, but i can't turn back time. sorry